Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Calzaghe has also carefully picked his opponants, aside from Kessler and maybe Lacy, and Reid, other than that, slim pickins, so yea in their situation age would still be a bigger factor for B-Hop
Wrong. Calzaghe has handily defeated everyone that has been put before him by the organizations. Calzaghe has done just what Hopkins, Jones, & Floyd did...took on everyone that came his way.
There's no denying that. People lambast Calzaghe for never leaving home...neither did Hopkins, Jones, or Floyd.
I hate the double standard there...but most people rip Joe's opposition with having the knowledge of who the fighters were & what they had done.
Thats at best a ridiculous statement
Hint,America is a very large country,with no real national identity
Germany is closer to you then Las Vegas is to Philadelphia
Hint 2,:notice how most European boxers go largely unnoticited until they travel to the states,thats because thats were most of the boxing fans actually live
Hint 3:Unless it actually is in a fighters hometown(see hint one) there is no home field advantage,now if the fight was happening at say the Core States Spectrum(or whatever they call it this week) youd have a point,but last I checked Bernard has only had one fight there in next to forever
Get it through your heads,I know you guys have a sense of identity,thats great,it really is.In the states we dont,its a massive country that almost nobody is actually from.
Joe actually would have had a better shot if he had gone for the Yankee Stadium deal,because honestly people from Philly and New York dont dislike each other,they loathe each other at a level that makes Russia and Germany seem like an ongoing tiff
I dare anyone to go to an Eagles Giants game and tell me thats not the case,especially if its in Philly
Wacko is an American.
Then he should obviously know better
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Calzaghe has also carefully picked his opponants, aside from Kessler and maybe Lacy, and Reid, other than that, slim pickins, so yea in their situation age would still be a bigger factor for B-Hop
Wrong. Calzaghe has handily defeated everyone that has been put before him by the organizations. Calzaghe has done just what Hopkins, Jones, & Floyd did...took on everyone that came his way.
There's no denying that. People lambast Calzaghe for never leaving home...neither did Hopkins, Jones, or Floyd.
I hate the double standard there...but most people rip Joe's opposition with having the knowledge of who the fighters were & what they had done.
Thats at best a ridiculous statement
Hint,America is a very large country,with no real national identity
Germany is closer to you then Las Vegas is to Philadelphia
Hint 2,:notice how most European boxers go largely unnoticited until they travel to the states,thats because thats were most of the boxing fans actually live
Hint 3:Unless it actually is in a fighters hometown(see hint one) there is no home field advantage,now if the fight was happening at say the Core States Spectrum(or whatever they call it this week) youd have a point,but last I checked Bernard has only had one fight there in next to forever
Get it through your heads,I know you guys have a sense of identity,thats great,it really is.In the states we dont,its a massive country that almost nobody is actually from.
Joe actually would have had a better shot if he had gone for the Yankee Stadium deal,because honestly people from Philly and New York dont dislike each other,they loathe each other at a level that makes Russia and Germany seem like an ongoing tiff
I dare anyone to go to an Eagles Giants game and tell me thats not the case,especially if its in Philly
Wacko is an American.
Then he should obviously know better
Wacko knows just fine. What he said is correct.
You're the delusional one, Monkey.
Not even Hopkins believes in your nonsense. Look what he says -
"If Calzaghe and Frank Warren are serious, they can cross the Red Sea and come over to the United States, because we're the best in everything we do.
"I'm not convinced [by Calzaghe], America is not convinced. Let him leave his home town and try to invade the United States and beat Bernard Hopkins, a great champion, a legend."
Now let me give you a clue - Hopkins is a proud AMERICAN. Hopkins considers AMERICA his HOME TURF. ;)
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry bro, but I just can't see where you're coming from calling it a bulls**t statement. Calzaghe's 35 years old and has always made it clear that he's not going to go on fighting too long like a Holyfield.
You state yourself that Hopkins is a never-aging phenom, so you can't put everyone up against his yardstick. The only reason that Hopkins is still fighting at 43 is that he's picked his fights carefully, choosing those he can win, and fighting in a style that makes him very difficult to hit and in a way where he doesn't take too much damage. I wouldn't want Calzaghe to go down that route and become a spoiler to negate the aging factor.
Your saying he *picked* all his fights but i will return the question to you. And ask you who Hopkins ducked at Middleweight ??
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Calzaghe has also carefully picked his opponants, aside from Kessler and maybe Lacy, and Reid, other than that, slim pickins, so yea in their situation age would still be a bigger factor for B-Hop
Wrong. Calzaghe has handily defeated everyone that has been put before him by the organizations. Calzaghe has done just what Hopkins, Jones, & Floyd did...took on everyone that came his way.
There's no denying that. People lambast Calzaghe for never leaving home...neither did Hopkins, Jones, or Floyd.
I hate the double standard there...but most people rip Joe's opposition with having the knowledge of who the fighters were & what they had done.
Also...Jones & Hopkins both outpriced themselves out of facing Calzaghe. Jones said that he wasn't a threat...Hopkins raised the bill at the critical week of the bidding.
But that was all Joe's fault.
Jones moved up to Light Heavyweight in 1996 Calzaghe wasn't even a champion then. So i don't see how this match up could have really happened, Jones would of got no credit for beating Calzaghe at that time, plus Jones would have had to move down in weight.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry bro, but I just can't see where you're coming from calling it a bulls**t statement. Calzaghe's 35 years old and has always made it clear that he's not going to go on fighting too long like a Holyfield.
You state yourself that Hopkins is a never-aging phenom, so you can't put everyone up against his yardstick. The only reason that Hopkins is still fighting at 43 is that he's picked his fights carefully, choosing those he can win, and fighting in a style that makes him very difficult to hit and in a way where he doesn't take too much damage. I wouldn't want Calzaghe to go down that route and become a spoiler to negate the aging factor.
Same goes with your comment mate, I mean if u think Hopkins has picked his opponents carefully then u must agree the same can be said about Joe C who has historically fought lsser opponents than BHOP.
Sorry, but I think the way that Hopkins has picked his opponents is different to the way Calzaghe has. Calzaghe has chosen not to go to light-heavy and start from scratch where there was, for a long time, a bit more competition.
Hopkins has picked his opponents over recent years that he knows he can drag down to his level and that he can utilise his roughhouse spoiling style on effectively.
I agree that career-wise Calzaghe doesn't have the huge names that Hopkins has, but the Hopkins revival with his fights against Tarver and Winky were very well chosen opponents for him.
I disagree about Tarver. I think you're looking at it retrospectively. When the fight was announced very few people on here were picking Hopkins to win and most of us felt he was just taking the fight for the money.
Tarver looked awful in that fight but he hadn't upto that point and in winning back to rematches with Jones Jr and Johnson he was firmly established as the Ring Champ at 175 lbs.
That was a great win for BHop in my opinion and ironically considering the weight class it took place, possibly the signature fight of his entire career.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
It's hardly surprising the majority picked against Hopkins. He was coming off back-to-back losses against Taylor, 41, and moving up two weight classes (although it was pretty clear Hopkins could have always been a lightheavy).
And Reid looked awful getting out boxed by a 40+ Sugar Boy Malinga shortly before Calzaghe fight. Woodhall looked awful shortly before Calzaghe fight getting dropped 3 times by Veit. Brewer shortly before Calzaghe fight was destroyed by Echols, Sheika had looked awful against Glen Johnson shortly before Calzaghe fight.
Need i go on ?? you say how Tarver didn't look impressive against Jones in there rubber match. But forget the fact that most of Calzaghe's best wins, were coming off bad losses shortly before there fights with Calzaghe or had looked rubbish in there fights. But the difference is Calzaghe was the major favorite in all of these fights, where as Hopkins was the underdog.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Calzaghe has also carefully picked his opponants, aside from Kessler and maybe Lacy, and Reid, other than that, slim pickins, so yea in their situation age would still be a bigger factor for B-Hop
Wrong. Calzaghe has handily defeated everyone that has been put before him by the organizations. Calzaghe has done just what Hopkins, Jones, & Floyd did...took on everyone that came his way.
There's no denying that. People lambast Calzaghe for never leaving home...neither did Hopkins, Jones, or Floyd.
I hate the double standard there...but most people rip Joe's opposition with having the knowledge of who the fighters were & what they had done.
Thats at best a ridiculous statement
Hint,America is a very large country,with no real national identity
Germany is closer to you then Las Vegas is to Philadelphia
Hint 2,:notice how most European boxers go largely unnoticited until they travel to the states,thats because thats were most of the boxing fans actually live
Hint 3:Unless it actually is in a fighters hometown(see hint one) there is no home field advantage,now if the fight was happening at say the Core States Spectrum(or whatever they call it this week) youd have a point,but last I checked Bernard has only had one fight there in next to forever
Get it through your heads,I know you guys have a sense of identity,thats great,it really is.In the states we dont,its a massive country that almost nobody is actually from.
Joe actually would have had a better shot if he had gone for the Yankee Stadium deal,because honestly people from Philly and New York dont dislike each other,they loathe each other at a level that makes Russia and Germany seem like an ongoing tiff
I dare anyone to go to an Eagles Giants game and tell me thats not the case,especially if its in Philly
on regards to hint 2, I think you mean unnoticed in the STATES until they go to the STATES, they are pretty well known here in europe. Whenever Hopkins/Calzaghe debate comes up, you bring up the same old shit. I bet we're only a couple of posts away from you mentioning that Kessler/Calzaghe made the worst ratings in 2007 in the states, well guess what, that reflects much worse on the knowledge the fans posses stateside than any shortcomings those fighters may or may not have.
Hint 3 can be applied to any nation in the world, perhaps you could attend a Barcelona/Madrid game or Cardiff/Millwall match wearing the wrong replica shirt in your choice of section of fans.
Hint 1 about saying we're nearer the Germans than las vegans to philidelphians is about as offensive as anything ever said on this site, unless your point is purely geographical.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Sorry bro, but I just can't see where you're coming from calling it a bulls**t statement. Calzaghe's 35 years old and has always made it clear that he's not going to go on fighting too long like a Holyfield.
You state yourself that Hopkins is a never-aging phenom, so you can't put everyone up against his yardstick. The only reason that Hopkins is still fighting at 43 is that he's picked his fights carefully, choosing those he can win, and fighting in a style that makes him very difficult to hit and in a way where he doesn't take too much damage. I wouldn't want Calzaghe to go down that route and become a spoiler to negate the aging factor.
Same goes with your comment mate, I mean if u think Hopkins has picked his opponents carefully then u must agree the same can be said about Joe C who has historically fought lsser opponents than BHOP.
Sorry, but I think the way that Hopkins has picked his opponents is different to the way Calzaghe has. Calzaghe has chosen not to go to light-heavy and start from scratch where there was, for a long time, a bit more competition.
Hopkins has picked his opponents over recent years that he knows he can drag down to his level and that he can utilise his roughhouse spoiling style on effectively.
I agree that career-wise Calzaghe doesn't have the huge names that Hopkins has, but the Hopkins revival with his fights against Tarver and Winky were very well chosen opponents for him.
I disagree about Tarver. I think you're looking at it retrospectively. When the fight was announced very few people on here were picking Hopkins to win and most of us felt he was just taking the fight for the money.
Tarver looked awful in that fight but he hadn't upto that point and in winning back to rematches with Jones Jr and Johnson he was firmly established as the Ring Champ at 175 lbs.
That was a great win for BHop in my opinion and ironically considering the weight class it took place, possibly the signature fight of his entire career.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
It's hardly surprising the majority picked against Hopkins. He was coming off back-to-back losses against Taylor, 41, and moving up two weight classes (although it was pretty clear Hopkins could have always been a lightheavy).
And Reid looked awful getting out boxed by a 40+ Sugar Boy Malinga shortly before Calzaghe fight. Woodhall looked awful shortly before Calzaghe fight getting dropped 3 times by Veit. Brewer shortly before Calzaghe fight was destroyed by Echols, Sheika had looked awful against Glen Johnson shortly before Calzaghe fight.
Need i go on ?? you say how Tarver didn't look impressive against Jones in there rubber match. But forget the fact that most of Calzaghe's best wins, were coming off bad losses shortly before there fights with Calzaghe or had looked rubbish in there fights. But the difference is Calzaghe was the major favorite in all of these fights, where as Hopkins was the underdog.
If you like, Icey. Tell me why are you using Calzaghe as an example? I wasn't comparing Hopkins with Calzaghe, was I?. You could of used any boxer to do that.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry bro, but I just can't see where you're coming from calling it a bulls**t statement. Calzaghe's 35 years old and has always made it clear that he's not going to go on fighting too long like a Holyfield.
You state yourself that Hopkins is a never-aging phenom, so you can't put everyone up against his yardstick. The only reason that Hopkins is still fighting at 43 is that he's picked his fights carefully, choosing those he can win, and fighting in a style that makes him very difficult to hit and in a way where he doesn't take too much damage. I wouldn't want Calzaghe to go down that route and become a spoiler to negate the aging factor.
Same goes with your comment mate, I mean if u think Hopkins has picked his opponents carefully then u must agree the same can be said about Joe C who has historically fought lsser opponents than BHOP.
Sorry, but I think the way that Hopkins has picked his opponents is different to the way Calzaghe has. Calzaghe has chosen not to go to light-heavy and start from scratch where there was, for a long time, a bit more competition.
Hopkins has picked his opponents over recent years that he knows he can drag down to his level and that he can utilise his roughhouse spoiling style on effectively.
I agree that career-wise Calzaghe doesn't have the huge names that Hopkins has, but the Hopkins revival with his fights against Tarver and Winky were very well chosen opponents for him.
I disagree about Tarver. I think you're looking at it retrospectively. When the fight was announced very few people on here were picking Hopkins to win and most of us felt he was just taking the fight for the money.
Tarver looked awful in that fight but he hadn't upto that point and in winning back to rematches with Jones Jr and Johnson he was firmly established as the Ring Champ at 175 lbs.
That was a great win for BHop in my opinion and ironically considering the weight class it took place, possibly the signature fight of his entire career.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
It's hardly surprising the majority picked against Hopkins. He was coming off back-to-back losses against Taylor, 41, and moving up two weight classes (although it was pretty clear Hopkins could have always been a lightheavy).
And Reid looked awful getting out boxed by a 40+ Sugar Boy Malinga shortly before Calzaghe fight. Woodhall looked awful shortly before Calzaghe fight getting dropped 3 times by Veit. Brewer shortly before Calzaghe fight was destroyed by Echols, Sheika had looked awful against Glen Johnson shortly before Calzaghe fight.
Need i go on ?? you say how Tarver didn't look impressive against Jones in there rubber match. But forget the fact that most of Calzaghe's best wins, were coming off bad losses shortly before there fights with Calzaghe or had looked rubbish in there fights. But the difference is Calzaghe was the major favorite in all of these fights, where as Hopkins was the underdog.
If you like, Icey. Tell me why are you using Calzaghe as an example? I wasn't comparing Hopkins with Calzaghe, was I?. You could of used any boxer to do that.
I was right though wasn't i ?? ;)
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I don't know
Were you?
Maybe you're having a Calzaghe bashing day?
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't know
Were you?
Maybe you're having a Calzaghe bashing day?
Your comments.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
So i comeback using Calzaghe as an example considering this is a Calzaghe and Hopkins thread yes ?? and i used the facts about most of Calzaghe's best opposition had looked garbage shortly before fighting Calzaghe. You keep bashing Hopkins but forget that your favorite fighter Calzaghe or one of your favorite fighters, has also done the same. But except Calzaghe was a big favorite in those fights i mentioned where as Hopkins was the underdog against Tarver.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't know
Were you?
Maybe you're having a Calzaghe bashing day?
Your comments.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
So i comeback using Calzaghe as an example considering this is a Calzaghe and Hopkins thread yes ?? and i used the facts about most of Calzaghe's best opposition had looked garbage shortly before fighting Calzaghe. You keep bashing Hopkins but forget that your favorite fighter Calzaghe or one of your favorite fighters, has also done the same. But except Calzaghe was a big favorite in those fights i mentioned where as Hopkins was the underdog against Tarver.
I didn't bash Hopkins.
I PRAISED Hopkins for making an extremely shrewd fight pick.
Get your facts staight, son ;)
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't know
Were you?
Maybe you're having a Calzaghe bashing day?
Your comments.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
So i comeback using Calzaghe as an example considering this is a Calzaghe and Hopkins thread yes ?? and i used the facts about most of Calzaghe's best opposition had looked garbage shortly before fighting Calzaghe. You keep bashing Hopkins but forget that your favorite fighter Calzaghe or one of your favorite fighters, has also done the same. But except Calzaghe was a big favorite in those fights i mentioned where as Hopkins was the underdog against Tarver.
I didn't bash Hopkins.
I PRAISED Hopkins for making an extremely shrewd fight pick.
Get your facts staight, son ;)
You was taking credit away from Hopkins,
He was there for the taking.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins.
You know what you was implying so don't try and twist it around, you was taking credit away from Hopkins. Even though Hopkins was a big underdog, and Hopkins gave Tarver a boxing lesson and won every single round. Hopkins deserves all the credit in the world for taking the risk to move up 2 weight divisions to beat Tarver.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
Tarver was a weak champion, Without a Prime Roy, 175 is a weak division.
Hopkins won the universally recognized, linear, supa-dupa ring-magazine belt by beating a weak champ.
Not meaning to knock him down a peg in relation to Calzaghe.... He's career is defintely more elustrious than Joe's..... But truth be told n all that.
Re: Calzaghe/Hopkins article
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Tarver was a weak champion, Without a Prime Roy, 175 is a weak division.
Hopkins won the universally recognized, linear, supa-dupa ring-magazine belt by beating a weak champ.
Not meaning to knock him down a peg in relation to Calzaghe.... He's career is defintely more elustrious than Joe's..... But truth be told n all that.
No one considered Tarver a weak champion before the Hopkins fight, like i said earlier Hopkins moved up 2 weight classes to take on Tarver after Hopkins was coming off 2 losses. He deserves all the credit in the world, and i think people are forgetting how many were picking Hopkins to lose, and how many were picking Tarver to win, Hopkins was the big underdog and absolutely shut out Tarver winning every round and gave out a masterclass.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't know
Were you?
Maybe you're having a Calzaghe bashing day?
Your comments.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time. He had been messing about with his weight making Rocky movies.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins. He was there for the taking.
So i comeback using Calzaghe as an example considering this is a Calzaghe and Hopkins thread yes ?? and i used the facts about most of Calzaghe's best opposition had looked garbage shortly before fighting Calzaghe. You keep bashing Hopkins but forget that your favorite fighter Calzaghe or one of your favorite fighters, has also done the same. But except Calzaghe was a big favorite in those fights i mentioned where as Hopkins was the underdog against Tarver.
I didn't bash Hopkins.
I PRAISED Hopkins for making an extremely shrewd fight pick.
Get your facts staight, son ;)
You was taking credit away from Hopkins,
He was there for the taking.
Tarver looked awful beating Jones the 3rd time.
Fighting him at that point was an extremely shrewd pick from Hopkins.
You know what you was implying so don't try and twist it around, you was taking credit away from Hopkins. Even though Hopkins was a big underdog, and Hopkins gave Tarver a boxing lesson and won every single round. Hopkins deserves all the credit in the world for taking the risk to move up 2 weight divisions to beat Tarver.
No I wasn't taking credit away from Hopkins. YOU just assumed that.
Do you believe Hopkins would have fought Tarver if he didn't think he could beat him? Tarver was ready for the taking. Old BHOP recognised that. It takes skill and intelligence to recognise that type of thing.
Guys like you THOUGHT Hopkins was a big dog, guys like ME and old BHOP KNEW he could beat him. ;)
