Re: Does Arum not secretly want Cotto to fight MAyweather?
I don't think Arum wants the fight with Mayweather for Cotto. He'd much rather have Cotto fight Margarito. But as mentioned earlier, if Cotto is still undefeated in 2009 (and floyd is too), the fight will happen IMO
Re: Does Arum not secretly want Cotto to fight MAyweather?
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Its funny that people are complaining about Mayweather fighting Oscar when IMO Oscar beats Cotto more often than not. He is faster than Cotto, especially in his footwork. Oscar also has that great left hook and jab which Floyd nullified both in their fight. There are a few things that Cotto does to better, and he definitely fights a whole 12 rounds better than Oscar, but I see his slow pressure being a perfect style for Floyd to have his way with. I think Mosley getting hit over and over by the overweight, lethargic Vargas is the perfect example to demonstrate Mosley isn't, and has never been the defensive wiz that Mayweather is. Mosley is a sueprnaturally blessed athlete, but his skill level is way below that of Mayweather's, and his speed in general isn't even close to that of Mayweather's quick snappy punches will have more effect than Mosley's clubbing punches on a guy like Cotto.
Great post. I think I personally would rather see Floyd fight Cotto just for the fact that it's so in demand at the moment and I would like to see Floyd silence the critics. But on the other hand, that's practically the story of his career, and ppl still find someone else he's ducking. I don't for an instant give Cotto a decent chance to win, and I do agree with you that Oscar may very well be the better fighter today. However, this rematch really doesn't do anything for the sport, it's just a payday for each fighter. Sure they are top guys, and anyone who deny's that is hating, period. But, it's old news as far as each fighters careers are concerned... Floyd doesn't stand to gain anything but money in this rematch imo. and of course, that's what he should be concerned with, as I said in my last post. Still though, it's a bit disheartening, to say the least. Can you honestly say your happy with this choice of opponent, that it's a great fight?? I can't see it. Floyd can only win by a wider margin this time, it should be a great technical matchup as the first, but, it's not going to do anything for boxing in the long term. Now that I type that though, maybe Floyd beating Cotto wouldn't really either, all that would do imo is re-establish the fact that Floyd is the best fighter around, and noone is going to beat him. I'm a little drunk, so I'm being less partisan that I usually am. Cotto has NO chance at beating Floyd imo, I just wish there was someone out there who could give Floyd a great fight.
Do you really think beating Cotto will "silence his critics".
Re: Does Arum not secretly want Cotto to fight MAyweather?
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Its funny that people are complaining about Mayweather fighting Oscar when IMO Oscar beats Cotto more often than not. He is faster than Cotto, especially in his footwork. Oscar also has that great left hook and jab which Floyd nullified both in their fight. There are a few things that Cotto does to better, and he definitely fights a whole 12 rounds better than Oscar, but I see his slow pressure being a perfect style for Floyd to have his way with. I think Mosley getting hit over and over by the overweight, lethargic Vargas is the perfect example to demonstrate Mosley isn't, and has never been the defensive wiz that Mayweather is. Mosley is a sueprnaturally blessed athlete, but his skill level is way below that of Mayweather's, and his speed in general isn't even close to that of Mayweather's quick snappy punches will have more effect than Mosley's clubbing punches on a guy like Cotto.
Great post. I think I personally would rather see Floyd fight Cotto just for the fact that it's so in demand at the moment and I would like to see Floyd silence the critics.
But on the other hand, that's practically the story of his career, and ppl still find someone else he's ducking. I don't for an instant give Cotto a decent chance to win, and I do agree with you that Oscar may very well be the better fighter today. However, this rematch really doesn't do anything for the sport, it's just a payday for each fighter. Sure they are top guys, and anyone who deny's that is hating, period. But, it's old news as far as each fighters careers are concerned... Floyd doesn't stand to gain anything but money in this rematch imo. and of course, that's what he should be concerned with, as I said in my last post. Still though, it's a bit disheartening, to say the least. Can you honestly say your happy with this choice of opponent, that it's a great fight?? I can't see it. Floyd can only win by a wider margin this time, it should be a great technical matchup as the first, but, it's not going to do anything for boxing in the long term. Now that I type that though, maybe Floyd beating Cotto wouldn't really either, all that would do imo is re-establish the fact that Floyd is the best fighter around, and noone is going to beat him. I'm a little drunk, so I'm being less partisan that I usually am. Cotto has NO chance at beating Floyd imo, I just wish there was someone out there who could give Floyd a great fight.
Do you really think beating Cotto will "silence his critics".
No probably not really.. At least it won't do anything to silence the real haters... However there are many people who know boxing and are generally fair and objective, who do criticize Floyd for chasing the money instead of fighting a few guys viewed as the most dangerous natural welterweights in the boxing circle. Like I said, anyone who can't see why he would fight Oscar again is just being ignorant.. However, it's perfectly fair to want to see him fight Cotto and Williams at the same time. I think it may do something to prove that he does care about taking on the best comers. However, he's made it to where he is by doing so, and now he's in a position where he can pick his opponents. Oscar was in the same boat for years, to a much larger extent.. And yet he never sought easy paydays and fought absolutely everyone who mattered. You can't quite say the same for Floyd yet imo. I know I really want to see him beat Cotto and Williams, way way more than Oscar again.
Re: Does Arum not secretly want Cotto to fight MAyweather?
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Originally Posted by winscomeez
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Its funny that people are complaining about Mayweather fighting Oscar when IMO Oscar beats Cotto more often than not. He is faster than Cotto, especially in his footwork. Oscar also has that great left hook and jab which Floyd nullified both in their fight. There are a few things that Cotto does to better, and he definitely fights a whole 12 rounds better than Oscar, but I see his slow pressure being a perfect style for Floyd to have his way with. I think Mosley getting hit over and over by the overweight, lethargic Vargas is the perfect example to demonstrate Mosley isn't, and has never been the defensive wiz that Mayweather is. Mosley is a sueprnaturally blessed athlete, but his skill level is way below that of Mayweather's, and his speed in general isn't even close to that of Mayweather's quick snappy punches will have more effect than Mosley's clubbing punches on a guy like Cotto.
Great post. I think I personally would rather see Floyd fight Cotto just for the fact that it's so in demand at the moment and I would like to see Floyd silence the critics.
But on the other hand, that's practically the story of his career, and ppl still find someone else he's ducking. I don't for an instant give Cotto a decent chance to win, and I do agree with you that Oscar may very well be the better fighter today. However, this rematch really doesn't do anything for the sport, it's just a payday for each fighter. Sure they are top guys, and anyone who deny's that is hating, period. But, it's old news as far as each fighters careers are concerned... Floyd doesn't stand to gain anything but money in this rematch imo. and of course, that's what he should be concerned with, as I said in my last post. Still though, it's a bit disheartening, to say the least. Can you honestly say your happy with this choice of opponent, that it's a great fight?? I can't see it. Floyd can only win by a wider margin this time, it should be a great technical matchup as the first, but, it's not going to do anything for boxing in the long term. Now that I type that though, maybe Floyd beating Cotto wouldn't really either, all that would do imo is re-establish the fact that Floyd is the best fighter around, and noone is going to beat him. I'm a little drunk, so I'm being less partisan that I usually am. Cotto has NO chance at beating Floyd imo, I just wish there was someone out there who could give Floyd a great fight.
Do you really think beating Cotto will "silence his critics".
No probably not really.. At least it won't do anything to silence the real haters...
However there are many people who know boxing and are generally fair and objective, who do criticize Floyd for chasing the money instead of fighting a few guys viewed as the most dangerous natural welterweights in the boxing circle. Like I said, anyone who can't see why he would fight Oscar again is just being ignorant.. However, it's perfectly fair to want to see him fight Cotto and Williams at the same time. I think it may do something to prove that he does care about taking on the best comers. However, he's made it to where he is by doing so, and now he's in a position where he can pick his opponents.
Oscar was in the same boat for years, to a much larger extent.. And yet he never sought easy paydays and fought absolutely everyone who mattered.
You can't quite say the same for Floyd yet imo. I know I really want to see him beat Cotto and Williams, way way more than Oscar again.
EXCELLENT POSTING,especially the highlighted. Most of you should know by now,I'm not a Floyd hater,I admire his talents and jsut call it as I see it with him. Sure,he is fighting Oscar and it would be silly on the one hand,for him no to take the fight based purely on the amount of $$$ he is going to make. On the other,I totally agree with everything you said. I WANT see Floyd fight a big strong natural WW. I want to see those guys get their shots.
You basically said what I and alot of others think. We don't HATE on Floyd(although there are some here that obviously do) but we are boxing fans who want to see the best fight the best.There's plenty of big strong WW's out there and Cotto and PW are great challenges.It's not as if he doesn't have $$$
Superb point on OSCAR too. I'm at times overly critical of him but something no-one can deny is that although he is an attention whore,he has taken tough fight after tough fight in his career(Although I find it hard to give him credit this time because I wanted to see him fight and give a younger WW a chance).
As you rightly pointed out,Floyd is not at that stage yet.Cool Click on me. A grade posting.
Re: Does Arum not secretly want Cotto to fight MAyweather?
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Its just speculation on my part, but I don't see why ARum doesn't throw out a huge some of money to have Cotto fight Mayweather, I think by Cotto saying he lets Arum choose who he fights, instead of chosing himself is hurting him. If Cotto say look Bob I am not fighting unless I get Mayweather, I am sure Arum could make a big enough deal for Mayweather to fight him, but like everyone else has seen I don't think Arum deep down believes that Cotto can beat Floyd.
Thats ridiculous. Cotto is no floyd. He has real balls. WTF is he supposed to do? Subpoena him into the ring?
Don't get it twisted. floyd is the one running from not just Cotto but, guys like Williams as well.
It's amazing how many people believe his bull.
Then Cotto should fight Margarito Williams or Cintron or Clottey if he has it.
Oh who is he fighting next the EVER DANGEROUS ALFONZO GOMEZ!!
And who is Zab Judah who's lost his fights back to back fighting?? ANTONIO MARGARITO More then likely.
May not be the biggest zab fan here but I give him credit from coming off his loses fighting tough fighters.
My question is..WHY is Zab the one fighting Margarito? If you ask me where Zab's career is gone HE should be the one fightign Gomez and Cotto should be fighting Margarito in the main event.
Of course feel free to disagree ;)
llol hes fought two bums since his last loss winning both by ud
