Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
So I could believe that he will throw the fight and set up hopefully the biggest payday in his life in a trilogy with oscar...
No offense, but you are out of your mind if you think Floyd would throw a fight, just as the people were out of their mind who suggested that Oscar may have intentionally lost the first fight.
These are two world-class athletes who have busted their a** since they were toddlers to become championship fighters. Guys like Mayweather and De La Hoya would go all-out to beat anyone in a game of checkers, let alone a fight.
The idea that either one of these guys would try to lose a fight is ridiculous.
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
No, he didn't flop against BHop.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
You have to be kidding. These guys are the very top tier of the hardest sport in the world. If either one of them had this kind of mentality, they never would have made it this far in the first place.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
I don't care I wont see this fight unless I really had nothing to do. But one thing is for certain I won't pay shit for this
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by Puya
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
I don't care I wont see this fight unless I really had nothing to do. But one thing is for certain I won't pay S*** for this
Wow, what an advid boxing fan you are.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
The liklihood of Floyd losing to Oscar is slim to none imo,but hypothetically speaking,what does it do to his legacy is he lost?I think it would dent it severly wouldn't it?
HUGE....
If PBF looses you can rest assured he falls waaaaay down the lists...
It easier to fall off then to climb up any slip and forget it he falls waaay down. Don't believe me see RJJ pre-Tarver/Johnson and then look at RJJ post-Tarver/Johnson. :)
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by uptoscratch
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
i guess oscar didn't flop in the the fight against bhop? Yeah i can believe that its unlikely but who knows floyd might have convinced himself that by facing the old guy he's already beaten. The man who has now lost 4 out of 5, his only victory coming against a terrible boxer who also was coming of a long layoff (mayorga)..yeah facing delahoya is just about money$$$$ please is not too far fetched that floyd and ellerbe said
"man imagine how much money we'd make if people really believed that oscar is still good",
it might be a stretch but it not unlikely for a money driven guy like floyd to do it clearly he doesn't care about beating the best competition out there....he could beat mosley and still make around 15-20mill and that would help his legacy more than beating delahoya for around the same amount because this foight won't generate that same amount as the first one in which he took around 23 mill
You have to be kidding. These guys are the very top tier of the hardest sport in the world. If either one of them had this kind of mentality, they never would have made it this far in the first place.
mentalities change as a fighter gets older...esp in the case of oscar, a fighter who's never beaten a prime A rated fighter..and he clearly flopped against bhopkins, although he would have lost anyway he flopped on the body shot....
but i don't think in this fight it will be oscar it will be floyd....
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
Sorry Sweetpea,you and I are usually on the same page but there is no dount in my mind,Oscar DID flop v B Hop and something was very very strange there.
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Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
Of course I did bro but that's against "I use my head as defence" Ricardo Mayorga. Not Mayweather who is a defensive master. I am in AWE when I see this guy's defence in some of his fights! Anyway,Oscar has 1 big punch,the left hook. If Floyd nullifies that,Floyd wins.
As for the Tito point,Dude,Tito RUINED Mayorga and beat the punch resistance out of him,as he did to ALOT of Oscar opponents,before Oscar decided to fight them and steal the honours. Vargas,Campas,Carr etc etc etc. Tito gave them all shlackings,they were NEVER the same after Tito hammered them. Vargas went from a fresh faced youngster to a shot,punch drunk fighter after their fight,Oscar just picked up the pieces.Ditto Mayorga.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Sorry Sweetpea,you and I are usually on the same page but there is no dount in my mind,Oscar DID flop v B Hop and something was very very strange there.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Sweet Pea, El Gamo did you guys see Oscar's fight against iron chined Mayorga? He knocked him down with a left hook in the first round when Trinidad wasn't able to knock Mayorga down with a head shot, and had to go to the body to take him out in the 8 round or something.
Of course I did bro but that's against "I use my head as defence" Ricardo Mayorga. Not Mayweather who is a defensive master. I am in AWE when I see this guy's defence in some of his fights! Anyway,Oscar has 1 big punch,the left hook. If Floyd nullifies that,Floyd wins.
As for the Tito point,Dude,Tito RUINED Mayorga and beat the punch resistance out of him,as he did to ALOT of Oscar opponents,before Oscar decided to fight them and steal the honours. Vargas,Campas,Carr etc etc etc. Tito gave them all shlackings,they were NEVER the same after Tito hammered them. Vargas went from a fresh faced youngster to a shot,punch drunk fighter after their fight,Oscar just picked up the pieces.Ditto Mayorga.
Ditto and OScar dropped MAyorga with that left hook because Mayorga was off balance
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
I will begin by saying, that I will not be picking against Mayweather in any fight from now one. Having soundly beaten my man Ricky he deserves his credit and I will also lend my support and I hope hae can prove himself to be the best fighter of our time and an ATG.
Without doubt a loss to DLH would be hugely detrimental to his application to the ATG Foundation. Oscar is aged, battle worn and plain at this point in time and I for one feel he should have retired quite a while ago. While I don't completely dissapprove of this fight (I think Floyd is keeping loose before a cotto fight) I do feel that Oscar is demonstrating his greed once again and there are better fights.
Floyd wins by a wider margin this time.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
Surely almost losing to Oscar damages his legacy as well then?
I mean one of the judges had him losing.
I personally feel that a loss will have a positive effect on his legacy. At the minute it's too easy to slag off his competition, so if he loses people may feel differently about certain aspects of his career.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
Make no mistake if Mayweather looses he will be slaughtered. Remember this is the guy who claims he is the greatest ever boxer in the history of the sport.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
Surely almost losing to Oscar damages his legacy as well then?
I mean one of the judges had him losing.
I personally feel that a loss will have a positive effect on his legacy. At the minute it's too easy to slag off his competition, so if he loses people may feel differently about certain aspects of his career.
I scored it 116-112 for Floyd and thought he clearly and undisputably won the fight. That 115-113 scorecard for Oscar was a case of a judge turning in a bad scorecard.
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Make no mistake if Mayweather looses he will be slaughtered. Remember this is the guy who claims he is the greatest ever boxer in the history of the sport.
If he looses I won't give Floyd crap he comes from 130 and still fighting a 154 guy.
Question wich good or champ 154 pounder has o\Oscar beat lately?
Re: What does a a loss to Oscar at this stage do to Floyd's legacy?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
It would just create a 3rd fight and the most high profile trilogy since Leonard and Duran. A loss at this point is only going to make Floyd's legacy greater because undefeated fighters tend to be looked at as unchallenged.
Wow,Amat,you really think so? A loss to the part time promoter,part time fighter,whom he has just beaten,a loss to him would be very severe imo.It would make me wonder and want to see Floyd v Shane/Cotto/Williams etc more than I even do now!
I agree, Gamo.
If Floyd were to lose to Oscar, that severely lowers his legacy. Floyd (and many of his fans, including myself) think of Floyd as a truly great fighter. Great fighters of Floyd's level don't lose in their prime to opponents like Oscar, who is a good (not great) fighter who is past his prime.
Surely almost losing to Oscar damages his legacy as well then?
I mean one of the judges had him losing.
I personally feel that a loss will have a positive effect on his legacy. At the minute it's too easy to slag off his competition, so if he loses people may feel differently about certain aspects of his career.
I scored it 116-112 for Floyd and thought he clearly and undisputably won the fight. That 115-113 scorecard for Oscar was a case of a judge turning in a bad scorecard.
As did i. I mean i thought it was quite comfortable but there was a lot of people who thought OScar won.
