I personally thought is was POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO .Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
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I personally thought is was POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO .Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I think he is up there p4p with Ponce De Leon , Pavlik. All time p4p it has to be Shavers. The guy could hit you in the neck and break your ankle.
I can't agree with that in comparison to bodyweight a smaller person is usually on average much stronger than a large person, same would go with punching power... if you look at PSI on a punch and compare it to body weight a smaller guy should always win. However the jaw, neck and head size attributed to bigger people does not compensate for the superior strength of the big men that is why on average a big man can take out another big man with less punches than a small guy can take out another small guy.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I understand what your saying, but still fully disagree..Take a guy like Ponce de Leon.. He weighs exactly half that of Wladimir Klitschko. I'd bet you a thousand bucks Klitschko would register AT LEAST double on a PSI measurement. Seems fairly logical to me really.
Also, if what you were saying were true... Then the lower in weight you go, the harder p4p fighters would hit. That is most certainly not true, and it definetly doesn't just have to do with skeletal and muscle structure protecting the chin from punishment. There's a reason flyweights can't break an egg, and it isn't just that it appears that way since they can take punishment. Punching power increases exponentially with one's frame being larger, as a general rule. I think you've got it ass backwards as far as it being a HW's ability to sustain shots to the chin rather than an increase in power.
Yeah because how many of you have taking physical biology? I guarantee a heavyweight can't literally hit twice as hard as a guy half his size... THe human body doesn't work that way. This is a why in weightlifting there are little guys who can put 3 times their weight over their head, yet you will never see that at the heaviest weights. Human's do not gain strength proprotionate to size. An example in football Michael Vick is like 213 pounds he can bench press 450 pounds... that is as much as most offensive linemen in the NFL can benchpress. Shane Mosley bench pressed 330, and thats what James Toney was supposedly doing when he fought Peter the second time. Heavyweights can definitely hit harder, but they can't hit twice as hard as somebody half their weight... even Mike Tyson when he was 200 pounds was able to hit as hard if not harder than guys 40+ pounds heavier than him. IN fact if a guy is too big they actually lose percentage wise power because a person like Valuev is too big to rotate his body effectively to deliver maximum potential to his punches. People underestimate how little of a difference it takes for a punch that doesn't phase you to be a punch that puts you to sleep.
As for what I said about heavyweight's chins.... They have proven that larger heads, especially thicker skulls help a person with sustaining damage to their head, however neck muscles, head size, and the rest of it do not increase to the same extent in larger people than do the size of their back, leg, shoulder, and arm muscles. Also handspeed doesn't slow down even close to as much as advertized by some the bigger and more muscular a person is.
Tyson fought between 210-230.
Even when he was 210... 10 pounds out of 200 doesn't make that big of a difference.
Personally i would say Julian Jackson hit harder than Shavers p4p .Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Personally I suspect Julian Jackson hit harder than anyone p4p.
*Anyone that immediatly springs to mind anyway.
Salvador Sanchez since he KO to Wilfredo Gomez from P.R. in that time Wilfredo Gomez was met as a hitter like kick of mule.;D:cool:
Personally Donny i think Jackson was the KO power king of them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
You may well be right. I've been thinking and I can't thnik of anyone that could do what he did every time.
Perhaps tyson Shavers and Liston were similar.
You all must be forgetting.....
Valuev hit Mcline so hard he broke his knee. That's power folks....:o;D
Pacman never broke knees. Jackson couldn't do it. Only the russian giant....
P4P that's gotta be the hardest punch ever. Just ask Don King.:cool:
LoL...Yeah, p4p the most baffling injury in boxing.