Vitali Klitchsko: does Peter even have a chance?

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

I think common sense would dictate, that if he got caught using steroids, he probably used them more then once. Also, his inability to finish training camp without an injury is consistent with someone who abused steroids earlier in their life.

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Not really. I am a registered fitness instructor with my speciality being in strength conditioning. Not putting myself in any position of power, but what I have learnt and what I know is that there are people who are more 'prone' to muscular injuries then others. Genetics? Who knows. Just to say that because he injures himself a fair few times does not mean he is a steroid user.

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

No offense but open your eyes to the real world! If I was a doctor & you threw me a couple a bucks I'd dance a jig & say want ever you wanted as well. Whats ridiculous is people trying to make excuses for cheating!!!

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Who knows if he was cheating? Or if what I said was truth? It's a word of mouth and I choose to believe what he said and you don't. Except I'm pointing what was said and you are passing a personal judgement on a situation you know nothing about.

I've had theories about the brothers though.

This is no judgement FOR or AGAINST the brothers. Vitali is like my No. 1 Ever!

But they are both doctors in philosophy or sports science. Vitali's speciality is sports science in boxing performance and Wlad's I can't remember.

I had a theory that since they are Dr.s that maybe...just MAYBE they were able to develop a substance that is like steriods that is maybe undetectable. Just saying...it is possible...I believe they would study and apply their studies a lot to boxing and such.

Another theory is, which I would do if I was them, that maybe Vitali constantly tried new ways to improve his power etc and thus this resulted in injuries. I mean if I had his knowledge, I would be constantly trying to improve myself with "What if I try this..."...."What if I do this differently..." Experimenting.

These are just theories of mine. Not a debate or nothing.

Why is everyone on Peter's bandwagon, He is scared to fight now...... He is not willing to mix it up. W.Klitschko and McCline ruined him. Klitschko will knock him out)WLad)

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Originally Posted by LUCKY_13

Not really. I am a registered fitness instructor with my speciality being in strength conditioning. Not putting myself in any position of power, but what I have learnt and what I know is that there are people who are more 'prone' to muscular injuries then others. Genetics? Who knows. Just to say that because he injures himself a fair few times does not mean he is a steroid user.



Who knows if he was cheating? Or if what I said was truth? It's a word of mouth and I choose to believe what he said and you don't. Except I'm pointing what was said and you are passing a personal judgement on a situation you know nothing about.

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I know he tested positive. Not many athletes like to admit they were using intentionally.

He tested positive for an illegal substance which in the sport of boxing is considered by many as cheating!

You were very quick to call me a "Blooding Idiot" which is very disrespectful considering it is my opinion. Then in a following post you say you have had theories... bit of a contradiction isn't it? Anyway you don't need to be rude, it takes an adult to debate rationally

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I know he tested positive. Not many athletes like to admit they were using intentionally.

He tested positive for an illegal substance which in the sport of boxing is considered by many as cheating!

You were very quick to call me a "Blooding Idiot" which is very disrespectful considering it is my opinion. Then in a following post you say you have had theories... bit of a contradiction isn't it? Anyway you don't need to be rude, it takes an adult to debate rationally

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And he only tested positive one time and therefore saying that it proves he used the drug intentionally or multiple times or uses the drug still to this day just from the one failed test is an assumption...it's based on what you have created in your mind and not on solid evidence or facts.

Sure everything you post COULD be true but it's not wise to just had out judgement on everyone just because they fail one test because not every case is the same.

I am sure that there are plenty of people that have used steroids and have never tested positive.

I think it would be better for boxing if Peter trashes his wbc trinket and fight Wlad to finally create an undisputed heavyweight champion again. The sport needs that.

And Vitali can fight the #2 wbc contender for the wbc trinket. That way boxing will have an undisputed heavyweight champion,(most likely Wlad) and vitali still gets a paper title that he wants.

I think it's just as naive to assume that the first time a drunk driver is arrested is the first time he was caught. Sure, he was caught only once and that's where it ends so far as the facts go, but I don't buy anybody who says their doctor prescribed them something and they didn't know what it was. That would be beyond irresponsible on both parties parts to the point of not being believed.

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Originally Posted by liquid

I think it's just as naive to assume that the first time a drunk driver is arrested is the first time he was caught. Sure, he was caught only once and that's where it ends so far as the facts go, but I don't buy anybody who says their doctor prescribed them something and they didn't know what it was. That would be beyond irresponsible on both parties parts to the point of not being believed.

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To piggy back on your comment, in college, I used to catch shop lifters for a retail store. When caught, almost everyone of them would swear it was the first time they ever stole anything.


Apparently, some members of this forum would naively buy that explanation.

On those same lines, do you believe that James Toney only used steroids twice: the two times he was caught.

When someone is definitively caught cheating by an objective test, they lose the "benefit of the doubt."

I was willing to give Toney the benefit of the doubt after the first time. He didn't get ripped overnight and he had been plagued by injuries. I thought he might have taken something just to heal his body, but after the 2nd time. Hell, he's stupid for not turning that fat into muscle and my esteem in him has plummeted.

Vitali needs to stay retired for good.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

To piggy back on your comment, in college, I used to catch shop lifters for a retail store. When caught, almost everyone of them would swear it was the first time they ever stole anything.


Apparently, some members of this forum would naively buy that explanation.

On those same lines, do you believe that James Toney only used steroids twice: the two times he was caught.

When someone is definitively caught cheating by an objective test, they lose the "benefit of the doubt."

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Exactly. Hadn't heard about this failed test before, but it's turned my opinion against Vitali for good.
The vast majority of drugs cheats plead ignorance, after all, prison is full of people who didn't do it. As a PhD in sports science his pleading of ignorance is even more ridicilous.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

Exactly. Hadn't heard about this failed test before, but it's turned my opinion against Vitali for good.
The vast majority of drugs cheats plead ignorance, after all, prison is full of people who didn't do it. As a PhD in sports science his pleading of ignorance is even more ridicilous.

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I hadn't even thought of that, but you're absolutely right. That makes Klitschko's claim of 'innocence' even more unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by liquid

I think it's just as naive to assume that the first time a drunk driver is arrested is the first time he was caught. Sure, he was caught only once and that's where it ends so far as the facts go, but I don't buy anybody who says their doctor prescribed them something and they didn't know what it was. That would be beyond irresponsible on both parties parts to the point of not being believed.

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I think it's just as stupid to assume that the first time someone gets caught for something it means they have been doing it all along or multiple times since then...sure it might occur that way most of the time but it's still an assumption either way and what I was saying was the only FACT there is about Vitali using steroids is one failed test over 10 years ago while Vitali was an amateur boxer.

....I also think it's ignorant for everyone to assume a PhD means that you have any kind of understanding about medicine or steroids specifically. Vitali has a PhD in Sports Science which is basically the study more of diet, body types, exercises, nutrition, motor control, biomechanics, physiology, psychology, etc.....no where does it say anything about chemistry or pharmacology.

To take one test and fail it before your professional career starts and to have people dislike you for it is a little strong....he's been tested several times since then and hasn't failed one since...I think that deserves more credit than the one failed test. If he used again he would have been caught by now.

Vitali (that fought LL) is in a different league to any current Heavyweight including his brother (who is the current best imo)

Had it not been for injury I think he would be undisputed champion today and not have come even close to losing.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

And he only tested positive one time and therefore saying that it proves he used the drug intentionally or multiple times or uses the drug still to this day just from the one failed test is an assumption...it's based on what you have created in your mind and not on solid evidence or facts.

Sure everything you post COULD be true but it's not wise to just had out judgement on everyone just because they fail one test because not every case is the same.

I am sure that there are plenty of people that have used steroids and have never tested positive.

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I never said being caught proves he used intentionally, or multiple times & no one has said he's using to this day. The fact is he tested positive which is considered cheating whether he knew about it or not.
I don't know if he's used them since getting caught & frankly I don't care. But it is my opinion that through his kick boxing career & up until he was caught he had used them more than the once. Years can be anything more than one year & his kick boxing & amateur career combined was longer than a year, hence my terming it years of abuse

But your rightif used correctly you shouldn't be caught, but it doesn't change the fact that Vitali did.