Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
Sometimes a fighter can just get roughed up and beat up no matter how great their technical skills are. It is just the way it is, was and always will be. There will always be someone out there who has your number, including Mayweather's. The person that does have that number is most likely a far less technical fighter than Floyd.
Cotto has shown a great ability to adapt and adjust to any situation he has ever been in. He can bang, box and take away your will to win.
The reason there are so many Floyd haters around is more to do with his fans thinking he is some unbeatable force, than Mayweather himself.
Some Fighters have a will to win that is so high, they refuse to be denied. They find a way to win. They just want it more.
Who would have thought Pavlik, as sloppy as he can look, would walk through Miranda and Taylor? Who would have thought Duran could have beaten Leonard while jumping up 12 pounds?
From what I have seen from Floyd in the past three years, is someone more and more uninterested in fighting. He has fought for paydays, but anyone who can stand there and say his heart is still in the sport are only kidding themselves.
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Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
Floyd is publicly in a no win situation all the time these days, and with regard to the various points that are being or have been made on here...They have been covered before more or less and they will also be covered again...just insert ya favourite fighters name who is roughly around Floyd's weight division...
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I feel Floyd would be too much for Cotto, Ricky H cuts down the ring well and is a all action, rough, tough and busy pressure fighter who's boxing skills and footwork are very under rated, and a hard lad too...but he was made to look ordinary by Floyd eventually being out strength ed and out fought...ya don't knock folks out often by going backwards all the time..
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Which is just a part of his tactics, arsenal, tools or whatever....fast re wind to ODLH fight...the stick and move bit had to come into play...and though it may not be too entertaining for some, they are not in there taking the shots...
Hence it being called boxing, to slip and move, to hit and not be hit...this he was always going to do in the ODLH fight as Oscar was naturally the bigger man and more than a handful for most out there, so Floyd adapted.....pretty or not...
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Floyd is now coming to the end of his boxing career and has always caused debates, some heated some not, but he has always carried on winning, which brings me to Arrum who when asked in the build up to the Hatton fight, Just how good is PBF/FMM"" He replied with an answer something on the lines of ... We don't really know...because nobody has ever been good enough to test him yet, we ain't seen him hurt or having to struggle under pressure because nobody has been able to do that to him so until we see that we won't really know...
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Floyd's strength is under rated too and the guy is a lot meaner and tougher than he is given credit for...He moved up in weight to fight the unbeaten Chico C...and totally destroyed him eventually stopping him after having him up and down like a yoyo..
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He ain't avoiding Cotto no more than he is avoiding anyone else...at this stage in his career he is making the more lucrative business moves that will go towards securing his and his families future, Lets be honest he is not the first or the last fighter that will employ this tactic...
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In so much as a Boxer can Floyd has worked hard and earned this position...had he been an average fighter his paths would have been fewer....But he isn't and because of this there are always going to be more pathways open, more lucrative and varied deals, contracts etc on the table...
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He is doing what is best for him now, his fighting past has allowed him these present day situations, He can't fight every ones chosen fighter can he, it's not practical..or fair to expect this of him or any fighter for that matter...
So lets not be too harsh on Floyd...love him or hate him, but we will all watch and debate him...
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Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
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Beanflicker
Same old song. People said pretty much all those things about Ricky Hatton. They talked about how good Ricky was at cutting off the ring. They talked about how much heart he had and how tough he was. They said Floyd would never take a fight with Hatton because it would be too hard, and why would he do that when he could make tons of money fight easy fights. Floyd beats his ass and all ofa sudden Ricky ain't shit, he was too small he wasn't a real welterweight.
So my advice to you guys is instead of wasting your time and energy creating lists of why Floyd wont fight Cotto, get a head start on your excuses as to why Floyd whipped Cotto. Was he too slow? Too one-dimensional? Because you know the fight eventually will happen, and Floyd will beat him, IMO it will be an easier fight for Floyd than Hatton.
I love Cotto but PBF is on another level.
IMO, Cotto will be a tougher fight for Floyd than Hatton. Cotto is technically suprior than "charge, hold, and hit 'em Ricky" (by the way, that's how Ricky "cuts off" the ring")
Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
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Beanflicker
Same old song. People said pretty much all those things about Ricky Hatton. They talked about how good Ricky was at cutting off the ring. They talked about how much heart he had and how tough he was. They said Floyd would never take a fight with Hatton because it would be too hard, and why would he do that when he could make tons of money fight easy fights. Floyd beats his ass and all ofa sudden Ricky ain't shit, he was too small he wasn't a real welterweight.
So my advice to you guys is instead of wasting your time and energy creating lists of why Floyd wont fight Cotto, get a head start on your excuses as to why Floyd whipped Cotto. Was he too slow? Too one-dimensional? Because you know the fight eventually will happen, and Floyd will beat him, IMO it will be an easier fight for Floyd than Hatton.
I love Cotto but PBF is on another level.
IMO, Cotto will be a tougher fight for Floyd than Hatton. Cotto is technically suprior than "charge, hold, and hit 'em Ricky" (by the way, that's how Ricky "cuts off" the ring")
PLus Cotto cuts the ring way better than Hatton because he does it smart.
Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
I see it this way with Cotto. If he can dominate Gomez he should really call out Floyd like Hatton did. Gomez is a guy who beat a ranked supermiddle weight. Gomez is used to the abuse with the heavier hands at 154 and 160. If Cotto can knock him out I will be really suprised. Gomez is all heart and a sturdy chin. He totaly took apart Gatti worse than I have ever scene him dissected including his bout with Mayweather. He fights with 100% heart and I really like him as a person and a boxer. Cotto is a force to be reckoned with. He hits guys like no one else at 147. He could probably really hurt Floyd just by punching him in the elbow and shoulders when Floyd is twisting with his chin sucked into his sternum his right hand protecting his head and his shoulder protecting the other side to the left. I think a fighter like Cotto cna really do horrible damage to a guy. This would be a great fight but Floyd says money money money. The money should be there.
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Because of all his abilities even fighting high level fighters, Corrales, Castillo, Oscar, Judah, Hatton look easy because he, Floyd, does everything, and does everything better than anyone else.
I am not really sure if we can say that his fight against Castillo I and ODLH were really THAT EASY:rolleyes:.
Castillo 1 was difficult, but people forget Mayweather tore his rotator cuff. However De La Hoya wasn't difficult, I say technically that fight was easy. I think his fight with Jesus Chavez or Demarcus Corley or even Victoriano Sosa were more difficult, and he still easily beat them.
Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
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Deanrw
Sometimes a fighter can just get roughed up and beat up no matter how great their technical skills are. It is just the way it is, was and always will be. There will always be someone out there who has your number, including Mayweather's. The person that does have that number is most likely a far less technical fighter than Floyd.
Cotto has shown a great ability to adapt and adjust to any situation he has ever been in. He can bang, box and take away your will to win.
The reason there are so many Floyd haters around is more to do with his fans thinking he is some unbeatable force, than Mayweather himself.
Some Fighters have a will to win that is so high, they refuse to be denied. They find a way to win. They just want it more.
Who would have thought Pavlik, as sloppy as he can look, would walk through Miranda and Taylor? Who would have thought Duran could have beaten Leonard while jumping up 12 pounds?
From what I have seen from Floyd in the past three years, is someone more and more uninterested in fighting. He has fought for paydays, but anyone who can stand there and say his heart is still in the sport are only kidding themselves.
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Watch him train, look at his opposition over the last three years, look at him standing toe to toe with OScar for many parts of their bout despite having the inferior firepower, and size. He also looked more motivated against Hatton than we've seen him. Besides all that is there any reason to believe he is beatable to anyone out there? THere are only a few welterweights I would say give him a good fight and could beat him, there are fewer lightweights, and even fewer featherweights and super featherweights that I think could also do it.
Mayweather is underrated because he doesn't need to leave first gear to beat the best guys out there. SOme people don't see heart, but I see a guy who is so composed and confident in the ring that he doesn't need to risk everything for a knockout, he's never been like that, and people are mistaken themselves if they think he was against guys like Corrales. The simple truth was that they were smaller, and he hit harder p4p at those weightclasses.
Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
The ONLY people that thought Hatton would beat Floyd was hardcore Hatton fans and the ODD other person. NO-ONE else gave Hatton a chance and certainly not at 140. And to think Hatton can give Floyd a tougher fight than Cotto is laughable,especially at 147.There's a HUGE gulf in class between Cotto and Hatton.
I'm going to rep Taeth because even though he's a blind nuthugger and acts like he knows Floyd or something,he also makes alot of valid points and I respect that bro.
Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
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Chino
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Because of all his abilities even fighting high level fighters, Corrales, Castillo, Oscar, Judah, Hatton look easy because he, Floyd, does everything, and does everything better than anyone else.
I am not really sure if we can say that his fight against Castillo I and ODLH were really THAT EASY:rolleyes:.
Mayweather had a torn rotator cuff going into 1st Castillo fight plus that was years ago Mayweather has improved as a fighter. As that showed when he beat Castillo convincing in the rematch, and as for ODLH vs Mayweather no it wasn't easy but Mayweather still did win pretty comfortably 7-4-1 on my scorecard.
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Chino
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Because of all his abilities even fighting high level fighters, Corrales, Castillo, Oscar, Judah, Hatton look easy because he, Floyd, does everything, and does everything better than anyone else.
I am not really sure if we can say that his fight against Castillo I and ODLH were really THAT EASY:rolleyes:.
Mayweather had a torn his rotator cuff going into 1st Castillo fight plus that was years ago Mayweather has improved as a fighter. As they showed when he beat Castillo convincing in the rematch, and as for ODLH vs Mayweather no it wasn't easy but Mayweather still did win pretty comfortably 7-4-1 on my scorecard.
Against Castillo 1, of course "something happened"!:rolleyes: Can we really expect Floyd to say "Oh, Castillo 1 has been on of the most challenging fights I ever had. I just didn't have it that night"? Yeah right. If he didn't get that gift decision I can imagine he would be 100% fine.
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Chino
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ICB
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Chino
I am not really sure if we can say that his fight against Castillo I and ODLH were really THAT EASY:rolleyes:.
Mayweather had a torn his rotator cuff going into 1st Castillo fight plus that was years ago Mayweather has improved as a fighter. As they showed when he beat Castillo convincing in the rematch, and as for ODLH vs Mayweather no it wasn't easy but Mayweather still did win pretty comfortably 7-4-1 on my scorecard.
Against Castillo 1, of course "something happened"!:rolleyes: Can we really expect Floyd to say "Oh, Castillo 1 has been on of the most challenging fights I ever had. I just didn't have it that night"? Yeah right. If he didn't get that gift decision I can imagine he would be 100% fine.
Thats a fact he had a torn rotator cuff injury he said that before they even fought.
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ICB
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Chino
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ICB
Mayweather had a torn his rotator cuff going into 1st Castillo fight plus that was years ago Mayweather has improved as a fighter. As they showed when he beat Castillo convincing in the rematch, and as for ODLH vs Mayweather no it wasn't easy but Mayweather still did win pretty comfortably 7-4-1 on my scorecard.
Against Castillo 1, of course "something happened"!:rolleyes: Can we really expect Floyd to say "Oh, Castillo 1 has been on of the most challenging fights I ever had. I just didn't have it that night"? Yeah right. If he didn't get that gift decision I can imagine he would be 100% fine.
Thats a fact he had a torn rotator cuff injury he said that before they even fought.
I would bet my money that he suffered it during the fight, or that the injury was not bad at all going in and he made it worse. He would not risk even greater injury taking a fight with a bad injury like that. If it was fully torn, the fight would have been postponed.
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Deanrw
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ICB
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Chino
Against Castillo 1, of course "something happened"!:rolleyes: Can we really expect Floyd to say "Oh, Castillo 1 has been on of the most challenging fights I ever had. I just didn't have it that night"? Yeah right. If he didn't get that gift decision I can imagine he would be 100% fine.
Thats a fact he had a torn rotator cuff injury he said that before they even fought.
I would bet my money that he suffered it during the fight, or that the injury was not bad at all going in and he made it worse. He would not risk even greater injury taking a fight with a bad injury like that. If it was fully torn, the fight would have been postponed.
Well whatever it was he still beat Castillo convincing in the rematch, and Mayweather has improved since Castillo vs Mayweather 1, so i think its pointless bringing that fight up it was years ago and Mayweather won the rematch comfortably on points.
Re: Top 5 reasons why Floyd won't fight Cotto
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Beanflicker
Same old song. People said pretty much all those things about Ricky Hatton. They talked about how good Ricky was at cutting off the ring. They talked about how much heart he had and how tough he was. They said Floyd would never take a fight with Hatton because it would be too hard, and why would he do that when he could make tons of money fight easy fights. Floyd beats his ass and all ofa sudden Ricky ain't shit, he was too small he wasn't a real welterweight.
So my advice to you guys is instead of wasting your time and energy creating lists of why Floyd wont fight Cotto, get a head start on your excuses as to why Floyd whipped Cotto. Was he too slow? Too one-dimensional? Because you know the fight eventually will happen, and Floyd will beat him, IMO it will be an easier fight for Floyd than Hatton.
I love Cotto but PBF is on another level.
The Hatton at 147 is nothing compared to Cotto. But then you all knew that.
Oh, and a Hatton without his holding tactics is nothing. Meaning, the Hatton KO means shit.
