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The mind games Joe plays IN the ring are just as effective as the mind games Bernard plays OUT of the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
You saw what happened when Pavlik tried to showboat infront of the lighter hitting Jermain Taylor.....I think Joe could do that and finish him off as well.
There is nothing like a southpaw with quick hands to ruin your day
Before last night I'd pick Joe by decision, if he turns up as overconfident and sluggish as last nigh he gets KTFO. And I'm as big a fan of Joe as there is on this board.
I'm always pleasantly amazed when a boxing fan can put his logic ahead of his heart, in discussing a potential matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
But it's a totally different fight, look at Lacy and Kessler when they came to Joe, Joe was more on his game and better able to do what he wanted to do. Hopkins made Joe chase him and it was harder for him to win in a convincing manner.
Kelly knows only one way to fight and honestly he's going to be beaten sooner rather than later the only reason he's a champion is because JT didn't box him good enough and didn't have the stamina to keep him off....I don't forsee Calzaghe having those issues. Sure Kelly has tons of power and is a beast but IMO he's also unpolished in his approach and Joe would take advantage of that.
Kelly will also not have a huge size advantage as well, sure he's taller but Joe will be just as heavy
Your thinking is exactly the same as mine. I would never have given Pavlik a chance before. Joe just seemed to have lost much as his speed and oomph last night. I can see Bernard negating his punch output, but not his speed and reflexes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Pavlik is 10 years his Junior and although still green, has the same tenacity that Joe has always shown, but with more pop to his punches.
Joe is a southpaw though and I am still wondering how Pavlik will deal with them. We do know that straight right will be launching regardless.
People need to realize that Joe is approaching the age where his reflexes will slow down. I would not give Pavlik a chance in hell against Joe under normal circumstances. To me though, he is starting to show his age.
That would have been exactly my prediction before last night. I know stylistically they're very different, but Calzaghe needs to go back and concentrate on speed only, if he tries to plant his fight without going straight back out again he will be in trouble against Pavlik, and Kelly will keep coming for the full twelve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Jc needs to be at his ABSOLUTE best, with full concentration, to beat pavlik IMO, I just get the feeling he believes his own hype too much since Kessler, he wasn't sharp at all last night.
They both looked old and slow. I thought Calzaghe was supposed to have lightning hands. I saw that slow motion of a flurry that he threw and none of them landed. I thought he looked like a kitten pawing at a toy. Hopkins hurt Joe a few times even though Joe has too much pride and does not admit it. I wonder what a guy with a iron chin. World class boxing skills and one the hardest hitting guys pound for pound would do to him. I just do not seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Calzaghe hurting Pavlik at all. I do however see Pavlik hurting Calzaghe. The best man Joe has faced is a middle aged man. Come on. Now he wants Jones Jr. Soon he will be cruising the retirement homes looking for former champs. I hope Kelly Pavlik destroys Lockett in a Cotto Gomez type fashion . And hopefully that would light a fire under Joe's and Enzo's ass.
Good point, his combinations aren't as fast and venomous as they used to be. When he was at his physical peak, it was this aspect that gave him such and advantage when in the trenches. He couldn't match Kessler when trading, and a 43 year old Hopkins was up to the job last night as well. He CAN beat Pavlik, but only by boxing from the outside going in and out like he did in the middle rounds against Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314They both looked old and slow. I thought Calzaghe was supposed to have lightning hands. I saw that slow motion of a flurry that he threw and none of them landed. I thought he looked like a kitten pawing at a toy. Hopkins hurt Joe a few times even though Joe has too much pride and does not admit it. I wonder what a guy with a iron chin. World class boxing skills and one the hardest hitting guys pound for pound would do to him. I just do not seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Calzaghe hurting Pavlik at all. I do however see Pavlik hurting Calzaghe. The best man Joe has faced is a middle aged man. Come on. Now he wants Jones Jr. Soon he will be cruising the retirement homes looking for former champs. I hope Kelly Pavlik destroys Lockett in a Cotto Gomez type fashion . And hopefully that would light a fire under Joe's and Enzo's ass.
Pavliks jab and his range would play a factor. Pavlik would do the oppisite of Hopkins. He will move forward into punches(we all saw that in the Miranda fight) and he will use his range in the middle of the ring. Kelly Pavlik will be by far the best fighter I believe Calzaghe will face.Hopkins and Jones of the 90's would have been a different story. They both are aged and slower. I would say that the Roy Jones I saw in the 1990's was the best boxer I have ever scene. It would be a huge test for both of them and a great fight for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompGood point, his combinations aren't as fast and venomous as they used to be. When he was at his physical peak, it was this aspect that gave him such and advantage when in the trenches. He couldn't match Kessler when trading, and a 43 year old Hopkins was up to the job last night as well. He CAN beat Pavlik, but only by boxing from the outside going in and out like he did in the middle rounds against Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314They both looked old and slow. I thought Calzaghe was supposed to have lightning hands. I saw that slow motion of a flurry that he threw and none of them landed. I thought he looked like a kitten pawing at a toy. Hopkins hurt Joe a few times even though Joe has too much pride and does not admit it. I wonder what a guy with a iron chin. World class boxing skills and one the hardest hitting guys pound for pound would do to him. I just do not seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Calzaghe hurting Pavlik at all. I do however see Pavlik hurting Calzaghe. The best man Joe has faced is a middle aged man. Come on. Now he wants Jones Jr. Soon he will be cruising the retirement homes looking for former champs. I hope Kelly Pavlik destroys Lockett in a Cotto Gomez type fashion . And hopefully that would light a fire under Joe's and Enzo's ass.
The poll at the minute is 14 to 10 in Pavlik's favour seems after saturday night some people are losing faith in Calzaghe.
It's not lost faith, it's honest realisation that his best days are behind him, physically anyway.
I totally agree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4KsWV2gtIQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Pavliks jab and his range would play a factor. Pavlik would do the oppisite of Hopkins. He will move forward into punches(we all saw that in the Miranda fight) and he will use his range in the middle of the ring. Kelly Pavlik will be by far the best fighter I believe Calzaghe will face.Hopkins and Jones of the 90's would have been a different story. They both are aged and slower. I would say that the Roy Jones I saw in the 1990's was the best boxer I have ever scene. It would be a huge test for both of them and a great fight for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompGood point, his combinations aren't as fast and venomous as they used to be. When he was at his physical peak, it was this aspect that gave him such and advantage when in the trenches. He couldn't match Kessler when trading, and a 43 year old Hopkins was up to the job last night as well. He CAN beat Pavlik, but only by boxing from the outside going in and out like he did in the middle rounds against Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
I just thought some of you would like these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twidZp1ePUk
This one Lockett says Calzaghe would wipe the floor with him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuHo...eature=related
Power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
His life story. This one is great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=126nKl36Ihs
This fight would be great forget Jones get fighting Pavlik Calzaghe
Kelly KOs the slapping joe c. That was an old man fight we seen over the weekend. Pavlik would put him in retirement.