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Please explain how it is possible to expose bhop at this stage of his career. Joe could have whooped the shit out of him, knocked him out and made him cry but you still couldnt expose him. Exposed him to what, we know everything there is to know about bhop, hes been fighting for nearly 25 years, lost, won and drew and regarede by most as p4p boxer of the last 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by MIKAY
All British fighters are overrated? You don't know what your talking about.
The fact you use Jermain Taylor in your argument shows you know very little. From your post I'd say you been into boxing 3 years at the most.:rolleyes:
You forgot Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh, Nigel Benn, Ken Buchanan to name a few but for you to just trash a pile of good fighters is ridiculous.
As for Lennox he was born in West Ham and lived there for the first 12 years of his life (get a map and your'll see that its in London which is in England). Lennox went to the USA many times and beat all the American fighters on their turf.
No shit. Both fighters deserve respect, it was a close fight, which I feel Calzaghe edged, but it could've gone either way and both men deserve credit. Even though I feel that he lost, I was very impressed with Hopkins. Well, until he opened his mouth, but that's a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I genuinely dislike coming to this place after a big fight, especially a close one. It always degenerates into pissing matches and childish name calling.
Fight is over, Calzaghe won, give both men their due.
1) Good fighters who got exposed on the world stage, how can you argue with that, nas, hatton, enzo mac etc. That comment was in regard to the thread starter who claimed hopkins got exposed and was just showing what exposed really is. HOW CAN YOU EXPOSE A 43 YEAR OLD LIVING LEGEND WHOS DONE IT ALLQuote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRobQuote:
Originally Posted by MIKAY
All British fighters are overrated? You don't know what your talking about.
The fact you use Jermain Taylor in your argument shows you know very little. From your post I'd say you been into boxing 3 years at the most.:rolleyes:
You forgot Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh, Nigel Benn, Ken Buchanan to name a few but for you to just trash a pile of good fighters is ridiculous.
As for Lennox he was born in West Ham and lived there for the first 12 years of his life (get a map and your'll see that its in London which is in England). Lennox went to the USA many times and beat all the American fighters on their turf.
2) Lewis - did you not read the rest of the sentence "still loads of respect to lewis etc"
3) the guyz you mention were fantastic - ben the dark destroyer - i was a massive fan of his, eubank etc were all great but not p4p's world class fighters. In 20 years time looking looking back at the boxers the names you will remember are the dela hoya's, tito, mayweather etc.
4) only mentioned J T because i respect him even though he lost, he had the courage to fight pavlic in his prime and then fought again after being the fuck knocked out. Nas got a beating in his prime against barrera and dissapeared, thats the difference between true quality. Well see if Joe C fights pavlic, i gurantee you he wont.
5) i give hatton more credit than Joe c - he fought his best against a prime mayweather and stayed away from FRANCK WARREN. Everybody knows what FRANK does with his fighters and so did hatton and he left him.
Im not even a Hopkins fan what are you talking about ?? and just like always you can't back up anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NYI said all I had to say on the top of the page. I saw the fight and so did you. If you weren't convinced after you saw the fight, I know for sure I can't convince you with what I have to say. You're a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLike i said to you in the other thread wheres your comeback ?? you talk a lot of crap and you don't comeback with anything insightful or knowledgeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Cry away, your boy lost decisively
it wasn't a close fight if your a hopkins hater, even calzaghe himself knew it was a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NYThere was no way that was a close fight unless you're a hopkins fan. And that only reason it was as close as it was is because 1) the ref didn't stop hopkins from fighting dirty 2) hopkins was holding on for dear life most of the fight and hitting low on the breaks 3) hopkins got a 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low and he was looking very tired at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ds91
When you take into account everything Joe was going up against, you have to say he's an unbelievable fighter with his ability to sdjust to anything and everything dirtnard hopkins brought into the fight.
:o Some of the in fighting in this thread is better than we saw in the Calzaghe V Hopkins fight ;D
Personally I saw the fight I expected to see. Calzaghe was never going to go in there looking to take Hopkins out - that would have been stupid against a man with the counterpunching skills of Hopkins. Hopkins I think realised that he was going to get out punched volume wise from round 4. That meant a long night for both fighters.
I don't see that anyone was really outclassed or exposed. Hopkins lost to a younger, fresher undefeated, undisputed champion - no shame in that. Calzaghe fought the game plan he needed to against a cagey, experienced future hall of fame inductee - no shame in that.
The only shame was Hopkins comments afterwards. A true champion should take defeat the same way he takes victory... that's how it always used to be.... or maybe I'm just getting old :confused:
Well said.Were all getting old bro.I blame it on the boxing lol.Agree with you full bore here.Respect is important in this game,Calzaghe Is due that.Hopkins is having a hard time dealing with reality of a long career staring him in the face,but he has to stop denying it Imo.He has always run off at the mouth,loves to be the villian.Mouth often over shadows his skills and Ive winced more than once when he does his Wtf moments.:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Shamrock
This is most retarded post made today, your's I mean, not the one I am making right now. Bernard's great defensive skills made Calzaghe look absolutely horrible, While Bernard's flaw was he didn't punch very often, Calzaghe's flaw was that he missed terribly on most of his punches, and the once he landed were usually ineffective slaps. I saw Wright land more clean shots on Bernard than Calzaghe by a long shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
(Look at your sig mate... ;))
Hopkins got emabarrased? What the hell does that mean?
Well said mate. Very well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
In the end hereshow i see it in an unbiased viewpoint (HATERS PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT I WRITE):
Hopkins:
Fantastic counter puncher, proves that he is a hall of famer and has had a great career. A real tough cookie with incredible defense and a very hard right hand. Took the first 3 rounds decisively with a 10,8 in the first due to a counter punching right that floored calzaghe. Tried every trick in the book, some not so legal in boxing but hes been doing that for years, thats what hes about.
Calzaghe:
Great ring craft, fantastic flowing boxer with great combos and always finds his distance, another great hall of famer with pretty much a complete game. Has been known to throw slaps at times when he starts flurrying the combos except he has some decent power punches aswell. After getting floored in the first he became very cautious and was ineffective for the next 2 rounds, but come the 4th he started regaining his confidence and composure. He adapted his style to overcome hopkins defense and countering from rounds 5-8, losing only 1 round along the way.
Round 4, the turning point:
Watch this round again! When calzaghe pulls off some combos and blocks hopkins right counter or manages to avoid it, we see him drop his hands lower and fire off more combos into hopkins whos countering becomes more innefective and resorts to clinching instead.
If anything this fight proved 2 things (i couldnt care less what haters on both sides say):
Hopkins is a hall of famer with a real defensive philly style and great countering ability. Not a pretty fighter but gets the job done. He proves at 43 he is in no way 'past it' because he put in a performance probably better than the one he did against tarver that effectively schooled tarver. At 43 years old he proves that to lose a close decission against a fighter of calzaghe's quality and athleticism that he is an all time great fighter! Even though he lost (i had it 115,113 to calzaghe) he did himself proud in the fight (the only thing that tainted it was his mouth with the whole black/white issue).
Calzaghe was proven as the winner and this was him passing his test!
He had to come to america and fight one of the most tricky fighters out there. He was down in the first yet battled back and adapted his style to start pressing the fight. In the end it was calzaghe who was indeed managing to out-tactic hopkins. The first 4 rounds hopkins was playing out his game perfectly, calzaghe adapted in the 4th and from the 5th onward he found the 'calzaghe range' and effectively illiminated the counter threat of hopkins.
In no means was it a cruise, in no means was it pretty, but in the end calzaghe past the test...this SHOULD EASILY BE ENOUGH FOR THE DOUBTERS TO START RATING HIM and many of the doubters do now rate him, but it is the HATERS who will never rate him.
There are doubters and there are haters, those are 2 different categories.
A doubter might for instance place doubt that calz will beat pavlik, but a hater will still hate on calzaghe even after he beats pavlik and will see things from a tainted perspective.
Ive videod the fight and each time it is 115,113 to calzaghe, calzaghe takes a MINIMUM OF 6 ROUNDS in the fight, i give him 7, hopkins 4 and 1 draw (which coulda gone either way).
In no way can i see calzaghe could have lost that fight on scorecards, at best would be a draw for hopkins.
I give my respect to hopkins as a fighter, but it was calzaghe the greater champ who adapted his style and imposed his ring craft on hopkins and started to dictate from rounds 5-12.
Both are brilliant fighters, hopkins definately impressed me and proved why he is a legend...but in the emd calzaghe past the test and has PROVEN that he is the real deal:)
When I read the title of this thread, I was for sure it was about the "whiteboy" comment. For that, Hopkins should be embarrased. As for the fight, the only thing exposed, was his age, and that has already been exposed before. The proper term IMO, about the fight would be outworked, or outhustled, which most everyone knew would happen.
Nope, it was a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91it wasn't a close fight if your a hopkins hater, even calzaghe himself knew it was a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NYThere was no way that was a close fight unless you're a hopkins fan. And that only reason it was as close as it was is because 1) the ref didn't stop hopkins from fighting dirty 2) hopkins was holding on for dear life most of the fight and hitting low on the breaks 3) hopkins got a 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low and he was looking very tired at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ds91
When you take into account everything Joe was going up against, you have to say he's an unbelievable fighter with his ability to sdjust to anything and everything dirtnard hopkins brought into the fight.
But calzaghe won 7 out of the 12 rounds, hopkins took 4 (possibly 5) and scored a kd aswell, meaning whatever way you look calzaghe did enough to win.
Even the neutrals all say calzaghe won, it is only the people who hate calzaghe who are still maintaining that they thought hopkins won, hbo though calzaghe won, setanta thought calzaghe won, the judges thought calzaghe won...75% of fans thought calzaghe won aswell.
Guys, give up already, the hate for joe s too much. Big deal if hes british, boxing isnt a country vs country affair, its 2 single athletes against each other.
People should really start giving joe cred now after beating lacey, eubank, reid, kessler and hopkins but its the same old crap from the haters.
The fact is that it was a close fight, bhop proved he is very tough and a great fighter, joe proved hes slightly better...thats the way it went, thats the way the judges, 75% of fans, hbo and setanta saw it.
In his three biggest fights where he fought guys his size, Nard gets schooled. All-time great alright. :rolleyes: