Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

Hey killer

Calzaghes record at 168 should be:35-0 (23)

Jones' record at 168 should be:13-0 (11)

If anyones interested their opponents combined W/L/D at 168

Calzaghe:783-176-23

Jones:321-51-8

When Jones fought at 168, he was not only the most dominating fighter of his era, but who I consider one of the top fighters of all time regardless of weight class. He was that good.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Answering the question is simple as long as you clear up one issue...

What's more important, the length of the reign, or who was more dominant at the weight?

If it's all about the former, then the answer has to be Calzaghe. If it's the latter, then the answer has to be Jones, because the prime Jones would smoke the prime Calzaghe and Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than any win Calzaghe had at 168.

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Look at you usin words like "former" and "latter", fancy bastard! lol. If its a matter of who would win in their primes, its Roy Jones EASY.

Calzaghe did spend more time there and make it his weightclass for a LONG time though.

Just like how Hopkins made Middleweight his. No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

He was just the GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS EVER.
Thats enough for me.

I think its pretty easy really. Joe Calzaghe has the greatest record at 168, but Jones is the greatest fighter to fight at 168.

Its the same in a lot of divisions. Take 154 for example. Norris and Mcallum may have the greatest records in that division but Hearns was probably a better fighter than both when he fought there.

Jones on talent

Calzaghe on achievements.

I'd have backed Jones to Beat Calzaghe, but i don't think he would smoke him like a few on here have been saying. Calzaghe is too good to get smoked by anyone. I think Calzaghe's work rate would be a potential problem for Jones. But Jones would present many more problems than just workrate.

Imo you can't give someone the number one spot based on assumptions.Sure Jones JNR was shit hot at SMW and probably would have schooled anyone. But you can't deny Calzaghe his rightful claim to the best SMW of all time just because Roy Jones at a couple of years at the weight and looked good beating people up.

10yrs undefeated.Ring champ,Unified champ..huge problems with his hands throughout his career and he came through it by adapting his style as he aged. Unlike Jones Calzaghe does not rely on his athletisicm..he had to change his style over the years...this for me makes you better than just being amazing in your "prime".

i have to bring sven ottka into this again. like joe he made 21 defences, like joe he stayed at home doing so, he even had two bigger belts, WBA, IBF so if calzaghe fans want to call there man the best, svens goto be in this cake

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

if you talk about calzaghe you have to talk about german legend sven ottka who made 21 world title defence at super middle and was undefeated just like joe, he's practicly the same as calzaghe except he held the much more recordnizied wba and ibf belts........he wanted a fight with joe to see who is the best but calzaghe turned it down, so in my opin you have to put him on the table.......... im not saying ottka is the best, but if joe is ranked that high then you must have ottka there to

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When you make blatant lies like this do you think people will actually believe you?

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Originally Posted by Hulk

No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

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That's because middleweight has featured fighters like Robinson and Hagler, who are historically greater than Jones by any measure. There's no legit claim for Jones as the greatest middleweight ever.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Hulk

No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

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That's because middleweight has featured fighters like Robinson and Hagler, who are historically greater than Jones by any measure. There's no legit claim for Jones as the greatest middleweight ever.

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There's an arguement that there's no case for SRR as greatest Middleweight either.

Not nitpicking, just thinking aloud.

Calzaghe has made more defences of the SM division yes.
As for him beating Roy Jones or James Toney , dont be silly
a 43 year old Hopkins took him to a close verdict ,Lacy and Kessler are nothing compared to Jones and Toney.
Calzaghe spent his prime fighting nobodies.

He is not an all time great , sorry Calzaghe fans but history will tell you this in years to come.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time due to the fact of the length of his reign and he has reigned so long without question on who the man in the division is...

Jones was not at SMW for too much of a time to be considered even IMO...there are others in the past that could be considered on the list against Calzaghe in terms of SMW legecy...Just my opp though

Now With that being said!!!

I have stated this before and will continue to say this until someone comes along and proves otherwise...

Roy Jones Jr is without a doubt the greatest skilled fighter with natural ability I have ever seen when he was at 168....Now I did not say the most tech sound fighter so don't people start saying he had flaws he left hands down etc we all know that....but in terms of natural ability and ability to adjust and do what he wanted when he wanted in the ring without ever the fear of being on the losing end or caught and KO'd by a punch...Roy Jones had that....The speed to move and avoid shots, the ability to be unorthadox and fight with hands at waist against big punchers...the power he posessed etc at SMW was beyond praise in the fighting world.....

It was just a short amount of time he was there though to be considered as an ATG of the division

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I completly agree with what he's said,he's saved me the trouble of typing it out,RJJ at SMW was as close 2 a unbeatable Boxer there has ever been! I did vote 4 Calzaghe though as he's done more at the weight.

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

i have to bring sven ottka into this again. like joe he made 21 defences, like joe he stayed at home doing so, he even had two bigger belts, WBA, IBF so if calzaghe fans want to call there man the best, svens goto be in this cake

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How many ppl got robbed going over 2 Germany 2 fight Ottka? Dont remember anyone getting robbed against Calzaghe!

I say Roy Jones Jr. He fought the tougher guys. He knocked a man down three times in one round and was never hit. In his prime he was by far the greatest fighter alive. Mayweather does not impress me like Jones Jr did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK8qHnvBo9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx9y...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwr_WAZw44

Jones clearly has the quicker feet and the more one punch power.