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Hopkins (around the time he fought Trinidad would have been great to see against a prime Jones IMO)
Toney (at his best would have defeated Calzaghe)
Calzaghe (at his best may have defeated Toney)
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Jones
Hopkins (around the time he fought Trinidad would have been great to see against a prime Jones IMO)
Toney (at his best would have defeated Calzaghe)
Calzaghe (at his best may have defeated Toney)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Would Calzaghe have fought the best from middleweight to HEAVYWEIGHT and still had success?
IMO...
1. Jones
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Calzaghe
I know it seems like Im being hard on Calzaghe, but IMO Jones, Toney and Hopkins are on a different level, these guys are some of the best our generation has produced.
Agree completely.. It's really not even all that close imo. Calzaghe is a great fighter but just not quite the athlete that Jones or Toney were, and not quite as skilled as Hopkins was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Would Calzaghe have fought the best from middleweight to HEAVYWEIGHT and still had success?
IMO...
1. Jones
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Calzaghe
I know it seems like Im being hard on Calzaghe, but IMO Jones, Toney and Hopkins are on a different level, these guys are some of the best our generation has produced.
yeh i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Does that mean you don't rate Calzaghe's win over Hopkins then?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAgree completely.. It's really not even all that close imo. Calzaghe is a great fighter but just not quite the athlete that Jones or Toney were, and not quite as skilled as Hopkins was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Would Calzaghe have fought the best from middleweight to HEAVYWEIGHT and still had success?
IMO...
1. Jones
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Calzaghe
I know it seems like Im being hard on Calzaghe, but IMO Jones, Toney and Hopkins are on a different level, these guys are some of the best our generation has produced.
id have it
Jones-Calzaghe-Hopkins-Toney
Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
We're talking about primes. 44 year old Hopkins is a great Hopkins, but not prime Hopkins. Considering how much trouble JC had with 44 year old Hopkins, its hard to imagine him beating prime Hopkins IMO
He's 43, and to be honest I can't remember too many Hopkins fights where he impressed me any more than he did against JC, he's always boring and innactive! As far as JC goes, that was probably the worst I have seen him! Prime for prime nobody really knows
U have a point! Im sure ppl will say the Trinidad fight was Hopkins at his Prime,but I think the Hopkins then,may have been fitter,but the Hopkins that beat Tarver was a cleverer,more experianced Boxer,which Hopkins was the most dangerous?!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Hopkins always came in with a great game plan or two. He has always been a very clever fighter IMO & the win over Trinidad who was a big favorite coming in just exposed that to more people. When he fought Jones it was really his first time on the big stage & he was to tentative & gave Jones to much respect. I don't think he ever let that happen again!Quote:
Originally Posted by njacketsU have a point! Im sure ppl will say the Trinidad fight was Hopkins at his Prime,but I think the Hopkins then,may have been fitter,but the Hopkins that beat Tarver was a cleverer,more experianced Boxer,which Hopkins was the most dangerous?!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I remember when there was Toney was at 190 & there was talk of a Hopkins/ Toney bout (It was on a Ring cover too) it would have been to technically brilliant old school fighters going at it. My opinion is Hopkins always had another gear to move into & a plan b or c if needed. It would have been a great battle to see