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Calzaghe takes a UD for me in this.I see this fight been very similar to the Kessler fight,Pavlik has a good solid jab and a straight right much like Kessler.Calzaghe will be to good a boxer for him.I wouldnt be surprised if he fights Jones then finish his career of with Pavlik.
I like where your head is at! I think Pavlik needs to call out Calzaghe in order to get anything going. Joe did once say Roy Jones would do nothing for his legacy but look who he called out after he beat Hopkins! I don't think Joe will ever call out Pavlik. Pavlik will have to insult Joe's manhood and call him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Calzaghe can tap Pavlik all he wants, but Pavlik throws bombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
I don't look at Pavlik as a huge one punch puncher, but more of a heavy handed relentless puncher like Cotto. I think Miranda hits harder with his hardest punch, but Pavlik throws everything hard and painful and just overwhelms guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
That also proves that Pavlik's chin is great. He took allot of flush over hand rights from Miranda and didn't really budge.Most likely. I can go with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI don't look at Pavlik as a huge one punch puncher, but more of a heavy handed relentless puncher like Cotto. I think Miranda hits harder with his hardest punch, but Pavlik throws everything hard and painful and just overwhelms guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Who's to say Pavlik does not knock him the phuck out. Hopkins hurt him several times and knocked him out. I don't think Calzaghe or any one can stand in a trade. His range is great. He has great balance. He has a world class chin. He can bust you up inside. He has great stamina. He is a complete boxer / fighter. And thats all said without even mentioning he is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound. He hits harder than the hardest hitting super middle weight (Miranda) and maybe even harder than most of the light heavy weight division. You people did not give him a chance with Miranda. Palvik destroyed him. You did not give him a chance with Taylor. He destroyed him as well and beat him again. Taylor beat Hopkins twice years ago when Hopkins was alot better boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
look at :54 the short left hook. He is very punishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
Oh yeah he has power. No question about it. He has bricks in his hands and busts up guys faces, just like Cotto!heheQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314That also proves that Pavlik's chin is great. He took allot of flush over hand rights from Miranda and didn't really budge.Most likely. I can go with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI don't look at Pavlik as a huge one punch puncher, but more of a heavy handed relentless puncher like Cotto. I think Miranda hits harder with his hardest punch, but Pavlik throws everything hard and painful and just overwhelms guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
look at :54 the short left hook. He is very punishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HchCpnORAqk
I first saw him fight against Branco McKart...
I remember watching the first Taylor fight and being like, "Damn, this kid's doing good(Kelly)." Then he sticks his chin out and get knocked down by that brutal birage...
I was thinking that no one would be able to survive that round with that much time left... The chin is great if it stays tucked in but it can take heavy hands... Pantera knows...;D
When he slumped taylor into that corner I think I woke everyone on my street up, my girlfriend and anyone else within earshot...
I swear... What a fight... What a middleweight champ
I'm a huge Pavlik fan!!!!:D
So in response to whether Joe could beat Kelly or not?...
My first instinct is to say yes... And I think I have in another thread due to Calslappy's workrate...
Kelly's workrate is also very high and please someone correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think Calzaghe has ever been in with such a puncher...
It would be a pick'em for me as Pavlik would check that chin... He'd check that chin good;D
Pavlik would be Calzaghe's most dangerous opponent, plus the end to his unbeaten streak. I agree that Joe is a great fighter but I don't think he should be in the same ring with Pavlik and his bad intentions, it's no healthy. (That should be Kelly's new nickname because it would work so well with his gameplan + he already beat Taylor twice so the nickname can be passed on)Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
I really don't see this fight happening at all, Calzaghe's been winding down the frequency of his fights, and as far as I can see won't be fighting at SMW again, so unless Pavlik comes up to light heavy, or some sort of catchweight, I don't see it as a probability, although not completely impossible.
5 or 6 years ago Calzaghe was struggling to make SMW, so to have done it for so long is a tribute to his hard work, but as it will be near to a year since he's been SMW weight the next time he fights, I don't think he'll take a fight there, and it would be a particularly ignominious ending for him to lose his titles on the scales in his last fight.
If they do get in the ring, I'd probably pick Pavlik the favourite, he's younger, punches with bricks in his gloves and isn't afraid of putting the shifts in, even if he's never really had to do it over 12 hard rounds. Pavlik for a hard-fought SD if it ever happens.
Thanks for the compliment, and I agree with most of the post, but I think you are off the the Holmes comparision. First, Tyson didn't put Holmes firmly in his place. Tyson beat completely past it Holmes. Holmes suffered in reputation because he followed in the footsteps of Ali and he was followed by Tyson. He didn't have the personality or charisma of either, and he didn't have the right opponent in his time to make a epic trilogy with. It's too bad Tyson didn't come along a little earlier. One of my top 5 fantasy fights is Prime Holmes against Prime Tyson. Some people have that in the back of their mind with Holmes, sure, but I think those people are wrong, and in my book, many people overrate Tyson considerably.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Also, I think it's generally recognized that Jones, in his short stay at SWM was better than Joe. I have no doubt that Joe is better than Benn or McClellen. Toney, I'm not sure, but in comparing Joe to Jones and Toney, you are judging him against two ATG's.
People said that about Taylor. The rest is history.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Loew has the right attitude. Joecalz slapped around an old American great, it wouldn't happen to Kelly. As soon as Pav touches that chin Joe will know he ain't in Kansas or Wales anymore. Ive seen Kelly do it since amatures, the kid was the truth well before he made Bronco crawl like a baby across the ring or Zertuchi fall asleep standing up. He is the best America got so I just wish Joe would quit targeting old champs and fight todays champ. GO GHOST, YOUNGSTOWN, nothing left to say do your research.
Joe has lost all his power he once had (not that it was alot to start with) He relies on the simple fact that judges reward people who throw more punches, even if they don't connect.In the Mikel Kessler fight Kessler exposed alot of areas and landed some decent punches, only he didn't have the power to make him pay for it. Pav would. Hell, I think if Hopkins stopped tieing joe up every goddamn second and boxed with him he would of KO'd him by the 8th.
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Originally Posted by JoeyUK
That's a hell of a big leap to take from one good shot that caught Calzaghe off balance and with his guard down. Fact is, Hopkins couldn't have gone all out for eight whole rounds, that's precisely why he was looking to tie him up. Unfortunately, Ol' Father Time catches up with us all, and has done so with Hopkins a few years ago now.
Landing stats have showed a whole lot more landing from Calzaghe in all his recent fights, so I think you're mistaking connecting with causing damage. I still think Calzaghe's chin would take him through the distance, if not to victory against Pavlik.