Roy Jones Jr Vs. Joe Calzaghe??

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05-05-2008, 06:02 PM
1g5a22

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Prime Roy would have slaughtered Calzaghe. Fact.

my big brother would have slaughterd me 7 years ago,,now i can paste him silly,FACT.

your point is?
05-05-2008, 06:13 PM
Fenster

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Hopkins was able to land when he wanted to against Calzaghe, but he didn't have the output to sway the judges. RJJ would be throwing and landing more, end of. RJJ wide UD (except this is in Joe's home turf, so anything can happen if it gets left in the hands of the judges.)

Do you mean now as opposed to prime? Seeing as you like compiling odds - how would you price it up?

I wouldn't have this out of the park odds, but I would have the following

RJJ = -200 = 1/2
Calzaghe = +175 = 7/4

I would move these as I see training sessions etc.

As for prime I would have had

RJJ = -500 = 1/5
Calzaghe = +400 = 4/1

somewhere in that neighborhood.

I agree with your prime odds.

But the current odds, should the fight happen, will most certainly be the OPPOSITE of how you have it.

I think Roy will be worth a bet as underdog.
05-05-2008, 06:16 PM
BIG H

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I think it's a 'pickem' - I really don't see JC walking through Jones even now!!
05-05-2008, 06:18 PM
Fenster

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by 1g5a22

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Prime Roy would have slaughtered Calzaghe. Fact.

my big brother would have slaughterd me 7 years ago,,now i can paste him silly,FACT.

your point is?

Prime Roy would have beaten Joe.

Is that OK?
05-05-2008, 06:19 PM
1g5a22

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by 1g5a22

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Prime Roy would have slaughtered Calzaghe. Fact.

my big brother would have slaughterd me 7 years ago,,now i can paste him silly,FACT.

your point is?

Prime Roy would have beaten Joe.

Is that OK?

thats fine.
05-05-2008, 06:21 PM
1g5a22

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I think it's a 'pickem' - I really don't see JC walking through Jones even now!!

no he wont walk through him,he will walk over him.
05-05-2008, 06:27 PM
killersheep

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Do you mean now as opposed to prime? Seeing as you like compiling odds - how would you price it up?

I wouldn't have this out of the park odds, but I would have the following

RJJ = -200 = 1/2
Calzaghe = +175 = 7/4

I would move these as I see training sessions etc.

As for prime I would have had

RJJ = -500 = 1/5
Calzaghe = +400 = 4/1

somewhere in that neighborhood.

I agree with your prime odds.

But the current odds, should the fight happen, will most certainly be the OPPOSITE of how you have it.

I think Roy will be worth a bet as underdog.

You could certainly make a case for making the odds opposite, however, what I'm looking at now is this the biggest guy calzaghe will have ever faced, and has the ability to land inside Joe's flurries, that's how I see it.
I know most of the UK bookies have it
Joe = -350 = 2/7
RJJ = +250 = 5/2

I gotta call it as I see it though. The big question here is can Joe fight going backwards, no way he pushes back Jones.
05-05-2008, 06:31 PM
JT Rock

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

Anyway amoungst all the Bullshit, I for one am excited about this fight and see it being very competitive now, but a landslide for Jones back in the day
05-05-2008, 07:08 PM
RozzySean

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The real difference, prime for prime, is that Jones had real power. He was KOing very good quality LHW's where as Calzaghe only stops average fighters and wins decisions against his toughest challenges. That doesn't mean Joe isn't a great fighter, but it would have cost him in a fight with prime Jones. Even though I think Joe matches with his handspeed and is a more adaptable fighter, the extra power and better counterpunching of Jones would have carried him.

Now, I gotta give the edge to Calzaghe, but 8 years ago, no way.
05-05-2008, 07:46 PM
HattonTheHammer

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

The real difference, prime for prime, is that Jones had real power. He was KOing very good quality LHW's where as Calzaghe only stops average fighters and wins decisions against his toughest challenges. That doesn't mean Joe isn't a great fighter, but it would have cost him in a fight with prime Jones. Even though I think Joe matches with his handspeed and is a more adaptable fighter, the extra power and better counterpunching of Jones would have carried him.

Now, I gotta give the edge to Calzaghe, but 8 years ago, no way.

Remember the same thing being said when hopkins and trinidad fought eachother. Styles can be very deceiving.

If the 2 boxed eachother tommorow:

Calzaghe by UD

If the 2 boxed eachother 6-7 years ago:

Jones jr by late stoppage

if the 2 boxed eachother each in their absoloute prime:

Id have to say RJJ by a split decision
05-05-2008, 07:56 PM
southakron314

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Prime Roy would have slaughtered Calzaghe. Fact.

So would have Toney.
05-05-2008, 08:00 PM
p4pking

Re: RJJ V CALZAGHE. in works for November 15, Cardiff, Wales! ~

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

The real difference, prime for prime, is that Jones had real power. He was KOing very good quality LHW's where as Calzaghe only stops average fighters and wins decisions against his toughest challenges. That doesn't mean Joe isn't a great fighter, but it would have cost him in a fight with prime Jones. Even though I think Joe matches with his handspeed and is a more adaptable fighter, the extra power and better counterpunching of Jones would have carried him.

Now, I gotta give the edge to Calzaghe, but 8 years ago, no way.

Remember the same thing being said when hopkins and trinidad fought eachother. Styles can be very deceiving.

If the 2 boxed eachother tommorow:

Calzaghe by UD

If the 2 boxed eachother 6-7 years ago:

Jones jr by late stoppage

if the 2 boxed eachother each in their absoloute prime:

Id have to say RJJ by a split decision

Hopkins and Trinidad could both punch though, and Hopkins was the bigger man. Roy could punch with the best of them in his prime, now he can still crack a little, and is still the bigger man. Joe Calzaghe, if he ever had any real power, only did so in the very beginning of his career and hasn't shown it in years. It's not as though Joe could surprise everyone and adopt the role of a power puncher vs Jones. He can't punch, not about to change. It's not out of the question he could hurt Roy, but that would involve Jones growing even older and having much less than he showed even against Tito imo, for Joe to actually do damage with individual shots.
05-05-2008, 08:29 PM
armin

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This fight today does not hold any interest to me whatsoever, its a way by the both of em to make a crapload of cash. Cal has probably 1 or 2 good fights left in him and fighting todays roy and beating him does not do much for him I think, how did roy beat tito and all of a sudden is considered so good again. I'm pretty sure calzaghe will basically outwork roy and make it look better than he did against bhop. Roy and cal hit their primes at different times and in their primes roy would have took a ud I think,but there is no way that roy would just walk through calzaghe, because nobody walks through calzaghe, you can say calzaghe has never faced anyone like roy, then again roy has never really faced anyone just like calzaghe.
05-05-2008, 08:58 PM
awdleyfuturehalloffamer

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Calzaghe has to be an underdog in this matchup, even with jones at 40.
05-05-2008, 09:01 PM
awdleyfuturehalloffamer

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If calzaghe wins it would be a great setup for Pavlik.

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