Ricky Hatton; Good Call.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.

I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?

Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.

Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."

Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.

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The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.

Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)

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MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.

Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.

Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.

Evander Holyfield.

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Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.

Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Sie...eature=related
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Originally Posted by Macho

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Just because a fighter has an education, indicating they don't "need" to fight to earn, it doesn't mean their boxing career is not determined by money.

Do you believe they fight for fun? If so, they must be a dream to promoters all over the world ;)

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MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.

Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.

Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.

Evander Holyfield.

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Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........

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Originally Posted by Rican

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.

I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?

Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.

Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."

Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.

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The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.

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Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.

Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.

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Witter has a style to make Hatton look horrible in victory. Witter's style would have Hatton (the champ) chase and work all night long.
Why would he bother when he can KO Lazcano (I PRESUME) save himself time and keep repuatation.

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Its a risk Hatton should have took in my opinion I think him and his people missed the opportunity, his (Witter) stock was so high at the moment quite possibly overrated but he was still the WBC Champ and taking that scalp straight after a loss would have been a great move

Imagine Hatton was in the Ring on Saturday he would have demolished Witter

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why he should bother when he can KO Lazcano to keep his reputation

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KO'ing Lazcano doesn't enhance Hattons reputation at all it just shows hes taking the easy option and just fighting for the money something you seem not to like, I definitely dont I want to see Hatton get the belts back and fight the best available

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Witter's style would have Hatton (the champ) chase and work all night long.

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Isn't this what hatton does best?

Most of us thought hatton could beat witter. For me it was hatton himself who started to give me doubts. Hatton going out of his way to avoid him still looks bad imo. As soon as the fight ended i knew hatton would use this as a so called i told ya so, but in reality no one well almost no one saw this coming, or hatton himself would have said so before the fight.

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Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.

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Just to be clear I dont think Hatton ducked Witter I think Hatton always wanted to beat Witter, I dont like the money excuse if your a financially well off fighter dont deny a fellow fight the chance of making some money if they have ernt it by becoming champion, even if you dont like him, I dont think Hatton is truly like that

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Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.

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Maybe or maybe he is a talented fight who had a bad night either way Hatton would of and should have beat him

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Originally Posted by sonny78

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Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.

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Just to be clear I dont think Hatton ducked Witter I think Hatton always wanted to beat Witter, I dont like the money excuse if your a financially well off fighter dont deny a fellow fight the chance of making some money if they have ernt it by becoming champion, even if you dont like him, I dont think Hatton is truly like that

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Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.

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Maybe or maybe he is a talented fight who had a bad night either way Hatton would of and should have beat him

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You might call it a bad night for Witter on saturday but if you look back at his previous fights like Lynes ,Kotelnik and N'dou he never looked good then either so where the bad nights or was he over rated.I think he has been over rated but he can bang with either hand.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Macho

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

MAB, reportedly at the top of his law class.
Could have travelled the world as a lawyer and made money easier.

Calvin Brock, a banker who made huge money before entering boxing. Chose to box.

Juan Diaz, an honour student, studying Law. Could/Can make a lot of money eaier than boxing.

Evander Holyfield.

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Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........

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Originally Posted by Rican

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Last Saturday night we saw a seemingly past prime Junior Witter defeated by Timothy Bradley.
Bradley although very fit and strong, was a fighther that was not yet at world level and Witter seems to have dropped from the public's ratings now.

I feel that Witter knew he was past his best. He realised he was coming to the end and he needed his meal ticket. Hatton is the meal ticket in the 140lb division and Witter manipulated the media in an attempt to get a shot.
Did he deserve it? Many will say yes, but apart from defeating an elderly Vivian Harris, Witter had done very little.
Hatton, despite widespread criticism stood firm denying Witter his payday, to our collective puzzlement.
Was Hatton afraid, did he see some threat? or did he genuinely believe that Witter did not deserve to make money of his name?

Brendan Ingle told me recently, that for his lads boxing was about making money. He says he takes care of his lads and helps them to make money to feed their families and live a little more comfortably. Witter was most probably trying to make money off Ricky's marketability.

Hatton fans were questioning why Ricky refused the fight, the media fell hook, line and sinker, chastising Hatton's "excuse."

Ricky got it right. Witter was only after money and Rick made the right call.

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The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.

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Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.

Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.

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Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Macho

Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........

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Originally Posted by Rican

The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.

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Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.

Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.

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Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?

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Urango was champion when Hatton fought him,Ricky was stepping back down from WW to win his old belt back off Urango.

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Originally Posted by littlebif

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.

Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.

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Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?

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Urango was champion when Hatton fought him,Ricky was stepping back down from WW to win his old belt back off Urango.

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Urango didn't even win the fight he was gifted that belt in, he still got Hatton as his next fight.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by littlebif

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Originally Posted by Bomp

Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?

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Urango was champion when Hatton fought him,Ricky was stepping back down from WW to win his old belt back off Urango.

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Urango didn't even win the fight he was gifted that belt in, he still got Hatton as his next fight.

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here here, I had Ben Rabah up 9 rounds to 3. Urango only won the 5th, 11th and 12th rounds.

Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...

i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.

Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.

but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.

this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.

Cheers Ricky :rolleyes:

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Witter looked crap over the weekend but how some of you can turn this into a masterplan from Ricky is totally laughble...

i for one am sad they did not fight... on last weekends showing Ricky ((if he has the form of old that is)) would have won a fantastic english rivalry and gave his fans the "REAL HOMECOMING" instead of the farce they are touting now.

Really frustrated that this fight didnt happen and i'm sure there isnt a Hatton fan about who would not have rather seen Ricky demolish Witter instead.

but how some of you can say he aint giving Witter a pay day blah blah you are fans of the sport not how much a fighter gets paid..... Witter was no2 hatton was no 1 in the UK and for me i couldn't give a rats arse how much they got paid it was a fight that should have been made but Ricky denied the fans the chance of seeing it because he didnt like witter.....it stinks IMO.

this fight is now a lost event that would have been a huge in the UK.

Cheers Ricky

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I am a Ricky fan, this is exactly how I feel about the situation

It gets a little old, the whole who's ducking who thing.

Let me tell you, this is a business. Hatton had little reason to fight Witter before as there was not as much money in it and he had his sites set on bigger things. If Witter could've made him the most money he would've fought him. He's coming off a KO now so he needs an easier fight in order to position himself for more money in the long run.

When you become the big draw everyone calls you out. You know how many times Sugar Ray Leonard got called out in the 80s, when he was the biggest draw.

Oscar has been called out by every single fighter from 130 to 175, why? Because he's the biggest money maker for them. I'd call him out too, maybe he'll listen and you'll get paid.

Everyone calls Floyd out now because he is the top gun, you know what? Floyd called a ton of guys out early in his career and was ignored because there was not much money in it for them. I've spent most of my life around boxers and these guys aren't scared of anyone. It takes a massive ego to do what they do in front of the huge crowds, they don't think there is a fighter they can't whoop.

Its the same for all of boxing history, the top fighters get to pick among the guys who call them out. You wait, even tough guy Cotto will be ignoring fighters who call him out in the following years as he becomes a huge draw.

Its a business! Nobodies ducking nobody, they're just waiting to get paid. I guess its the discussion and debate like this that generates the money in the long run though.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Macho

Ohhh, Donny , i think that you maybe miss , The Principe " Hazim Hammed " , he was another Millionaire that chossed to Boxing too , because he liked it.............;D
Obviously , i never liked him like a Boxer , THANKS to Marcos Antonio Barrera took him out of Boxing...........

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Originally Posted by Rican

The fact of the matter is, a fight between Hatton and Witter made a lot of sense, since Witter was the CHAMPION and both are BRITS, which made the fight logical financially. It was the best fight out there at 140 for Hatton, certainly much better than a fight against Lazcano and the weak hitting Paulie. Hatton is still a punk in my book for ducking Witter.

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Now when you reply to this keep in mind I'm very close to neg repping you, so provide some logical back up to your reply.

Hatton cannot be deemed to have ducked Witter. Hatton openly refused to give Witter a fight because he did not want to allow Witter to make money off his name.
Witter proved last Saturday that he was not on Hatton's level.
Witter after last Saturday's performance is not on Paulie's level either.
Witter never beat anyone that merited a shot at the No.1 spot.

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Before sturday Witter had a better (evens at worse) resume than Paulie. No other LWW comes close to meriting a shot at no.1 than Witter.
WHO did Hatton beat to merit a shot at no.1 Kostya?
WHO did, URANGO, MAUSSA, CASTILLO, LAZCANO beat to merit a shot at the no.1 Hatton?

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Witter beat nobody apart from a young Kotelnik and Vivian Harris!

Urango had a belt.
Maussa also had a belt.
Castillo is a legend in the sport.
And Lazcano was a supreme lightweight.