How did Tyson even survive...

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

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Originally Posted by amat

The peek a boo.

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It's interesting you bring that up, and really makes me wonder if the art was truly lost with Cus.

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There are plenty of trainers who know the style I am sure. Maybe not all as good as Cus D'amato or Kevin Rooney teach it but all in all the style is a simple one really, though effective.

The Peek-a-boo style is not a style meant for all fighters though, you must have a certain build, you can not be a big guy. It is more for smaller compact fighters to use effectively.

Floyd Patterson used it but his was a variation though, he would often leap from a crouch to get maximum power.

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Yeah I also think it only really works at heavyweight because that's the only division where you have dramatic size differences really. Patterson was a much smaller man then Tyson, turned pro at middleweight and like you said he would often have to literally jump from that down low position to make his punches count. Tyson was also much more of an inside fighter then Patterson, Patterson needed space to punch where Tyson's punches were very short and once he got inside on you you were pretty much done.

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

It's interesting you bring that up, and really makes me wonder if the art was truly lost with Cus.

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There are plenty of trainers who know the style I am sure. Maybe not all as good as Cus D'amato or Kevin Rooney teach it but all in all the style is a simple one really, though effective.

The Peek-a-boo style is not a style meant for all fighters though, you must have a certain build, you can not be a big guy. It is more for smaller compact fighters to use effectively.

Floyd Patterson used it but his was a variation though, he would often leap from a crouch to get maximum power.

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That's what I was thinking. Considering that most people who fight in the heavyweight division don't fall into that overall build, it's pretty understandable that you don't see it much anymore.

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Especially in the era of superheavys - guys 6'4" to 6'7" tend to use that height to their best advantage.

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

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Originally Posted by amat

The peek a boo.

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It's interesting you bring that up, and really makes me wonder if the art was truly lost with Cus.

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There are plenty of trainers who know the style I am sure. Maybe not all as good as Cus D'amato or Kevin Rooney teach it but all in all the style is a simple one really, though effective.

The Peek-a-boo style is not a style meant for all fighters though, you must have a certain build, you can not be a big guy. It is more for smaller compact fighters to use effectively.

Floyd Patterson used it but his was a variation though, he would often leap from a crouch to get maximum power.

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Remember a welter Named Ricky Meyers, a staple on ESPN and came in with Kevin Rooney in the early 90's.He tried to duplicate the bob & weave to the tee early on,did well until his Chin caught up to him

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

The era of the super heavyweights did not begin until the late 90's

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That is correct , and Tyson's oposition was poor , ageing former champs / light heavies( Spinks ) and poor fighters like Tyrell Biggs.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

The era of the super heavyweights did not begin until the late 90's

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Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe were both pretty big.

To me the 'super' era really started there (e.g. the early 90'es), although subsequent boxers were even bigger. Of course Tyson didnt fight either of them in his prime, and he did not really 'dominate' the divsion anymore when they came around either.

Also, it is worth noting that before 2000 Tyson only fought three fighters weighing in at 235 or more. And Sammy Scaff, Mike Jameson and Bruno II weren't exactly the biggest threats (pun intended) to him to begin with.

Mike had a very low centre of gravity along with very thick legs, that illustrates the ability to generate bug power.

Coupled with the perfect style Cus D'Amato taught him Mike was an incredibly destructive machine. His defense was always good early.

Qs you said if fights were drawn out and the opponent had a good jab Mike was in bother, but with his sort of power he was able to prevent this by finishing fights early.

Mike Tyson had great training and technique.


Everyone Cus or Rooney has trained is like a Tyson, Patterson, or Torres.



I think that plus the lack of any strong fighters in Tyson's era helped him dominate. Had he run into a Lewis or Holyfield or Foreman or even Bowe then Tyson would have had lots of trouble and more than likely lost even in his prime.

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

Let alone dominate the heavyweight division? I mean, if you look at him size wise on paper, he should've gotten murdered. 5'11", 71" reach isn't exactly optimal heavyweight measurables, and while it's a known fact that he was quick and had good punching power, you'd think he would've just been peppered with jabs and never got inside of anyone.

Does anyone have a solid explaination for this? Because it really leaves me scratching my head.

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He had an ability to close that was unreal,when his leg speed went,so did he

I remember an article around here a while back Tyson where somebody claimed that Tyson wanted no part of Foreman, even the old version of Foreman. That fight probably could have been made if Tyson wanted it. According to the article, Tyson understood that stylistically, Foreman was the worse possible matchup for swarmers. Look how easily he dispatched Frazier both times.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I remember an article around here a while back Tyson where somebody claimed that Tyson wanted no part of Foreman, even the old version of Foreman. That fight probably could have been made if Tyson wanted it. According to the article, Tyson understood that stylistically, Foreman was the worse possible matchup for swarmers. Look how easily he dispatched Frazier both times.

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True I couldn't believe what he did to Smokin Joe!

Smokin Joe said himself he hated being swarmed...the rematch was just as bad...Wonder what the whole shaved skull shit was about.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Smokin Joe said himself he hated being swarmed...the rematch was just as bad...Wonder what the whole shaved skull shit was about.

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Same idea as Hagler, he thought the shaved dome made him more menacing. Foreman said when he fought Frazier he was terrified entering the ring, so Frazier tried to frighten him more the second time.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Smokin Joe said himself he hated being swarmed...the rematch was just as bad...Wonder what the whole shaved skull shit was about.

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I disagree i thought Frazier done a bit better in the rematch he counter punched Foreman and made him miss. Foreman caught up to him in the end but he done a lot better than he did the first time.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I remember an article around here a while back Tyson where somebody claimed that Tyson wanted no part of Foreman, even the old version of Foreman. That fight probably could have been made if Tyson wanted it. According to the article, Tyson understood that stylistically, Foreman was the worse possible matchup for swarmers. Look how easily he dispatched Frazier both times.

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Foreman had some troubles with a similar type of opponent aka Dwight Muhammad Qawi, exact same style as Frazier but lasted a lot longer and done better, and remember how short Qawi was, and remember what his natural weight class was.

Any idea on he whole shaved skull thing ? what was that all about.