Is There A Case For A Boxer Being Higher Than SRR P4P ??

When deciding the #1 of all time, you have to factor in EVERYTHING, not just achievements IMO.

Depending on how he closes out his career, I think Floyd Mayweather could have a good case for being the greatest of all time. I know the Floyd haters are going to laugh at this, but if you put aside any personal bias while watching his fight footage its easy to see that you can put this guy up with anyone who ever fought. I mean where are Floyd's weaknesses? He can seemingly adapt to any style. Where Robinson has the edge in punching power, Floyd has a serious edge in superior defense.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

When deciding the #1 of all time, you have to factor in EVERYTHING, not just achievements IMO.

Depending on how he closes out his career, I think Floyd Mayweather could have a good case for being the greatest of all time. I know the Floyd haters are going to laugh at this, but if you put aside any personal bias while watching his fight footage its easy to see that you can put this guy up with anyone who ever fought. I mean where are Floyd's weaknesses? He can seemingly adapt to any style. Where Robinson has the edge in punching power, Floyd has a serious edge in superior defense.

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In my book Robinson is quicker,stronger,better footwork,and hell throw's twice as many punches so stamina is on Robinson's side.Chin has to go to Robinson down alot more than Floyd but all Ray's knockdown's came from bigger men middleweight's when he was a welterweight,maybe if Floyd openend up a little more maybe we can see what his jaw is all about. I'm sorry if I am coming off like I'm nagging but to put Mayweather in a Ray Robinson's class is just ridiculous.

duran and sugar ray leonard definetly have a case . i dont rate SRR as p4p number one of all time i dont think you can when you have to pick out of

the unbeatable roy jones for most of his career
leonard who beat hagler the invincible
hagler himself should be nearish the top
duran who came bacxk so many times
larry holmes who dominated for 7 years
and of course ali

as have been mentioned there are more

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

When deciding the #1 of all time, you have to factor in EVERYTHING, not just achievements IMO.

Depending on how he closes out his career, I think Floyd Mayweather could have a good case for being the greatest of all time. I know the Floyd haters are going to laugh at this, but if you put aside any personal bias while watching his fight footage its easy to see that you can put this guy up with anyone who ever fought. I mean where are Floyd's weaknesses? He can seemingly adapt to any style. Where Robinson has the edge in punching power, Floyd has a serious edge in superior defense.

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In my book Robinson is quicker,stronger,better footwork,and hell throw's twice as many punches so stamina is on Robinson's side.Chin has to go to Robinson down alot more than Floyd but all Ray's knockdown's came from bigger men middleweight's when he was a welterweight,maybe if Floyd openend up a little more maybe we can see what his jaw is all about. I'm sorry if I am coming off like I'm nagging but to put Mayweather in a Ray Robinson's class is just ridiculous.

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unfortunetly for me hatton and cotto who al hate him! haha i think he probably is in robinsons class to be honest. to beat corrales by tko dela hoya, hatton castillo twice etcetc unfortunetly i think he is as good as robinson and probably only second to roy jones in natrul talent

It's almost impossible to compare them. Ray fought practically every month for long time, Floyd hasn't fought more than 3 or 4 times in year since 1998. He was active early in his career, but Robinson stayed active longer. Of course this takes a huge toll on the body, and we can never know how Floyd would turned out if he has to fight as often as the old schoolers.

Also, Mayweather may be boxings best student ever, but he didn't originate most of the things he does. Robinson originated so many different things, did things nobody else had seen.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

In my book Robinson is quicker,stronger,better footwork,and hell throw's twice as many punches so stamina is on Robinson's side.Chin has to go to Robinson down alot more than Floyd but all Ray's knockdown's came from bigger men middleweight's when he was a welterweight,maybe if Floyd openend up a little more maybe we can see what his jaw is all about. I'm sorry if I am coming off like I'm nagging but to put Mayweather in a Ray Robinson's class is just ridiculous.

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Speed? I dont think so, Floyd has the speed advantage, albiet not by much. Stamina is on Robinson's side? How do you figure, when have you ever seen PBF gas out? Chin? Probably, but Floyd can take a punch, he's been tagged before. Better footwork? Floyd could move around just as well and fast (if not better and faster) than Ray Robinson. Putting Floyd in SRR's class is rediculous? I don't think so. Floyd's only flaw is his shitty personality. It creates bias, and causes people to downplay his skills and ability.

I gaurentee you, future generations of boxing fans will put Floyd up there. Maybe even as #1, because for the most part they'll be judging him on his in-ring exploits, not all the other bullshit. Its like SRR, when we think of him we don't think of him as the arrogant prick he was. We don't think of the guy who cheated on and beat the shit out of his wife. We don't think of him as the guy who would threaten to pull out of a fight at the last second unless he got more money. No one says "Ahhh fuck SRR he ducked Charley Burley he was scared." We just watch his fight tapes and know that he was the real deal and had the goods. When all of this "Money Mayweather" bullshit is all gone, and people can look at his career and performances objectively, they'll view him as one of if not the greatest IMHO

Only Ali and Gene Tunney for me.

I'm just suprised Christian Mijares hasn't been mentioned :rolleyes:

I think one day maybe there could be but i wouldnt say any time in the near future..

We dont really think much of it but Ray robinsons legacy has had years to cook over and not only his career is long in the past but all his opponents careers are all finished (of course) and word of mouth and everything else stands the test of time and you dont question all the little things like you would with a current active fighter today, or one of the recent past..

Like duran i would say is just about at that stage where his legacy has passed the test of time and all people have for him is love, admiration and respect.. But im sure he was criticised like alot of active fighters are today..

But imo i can imagine big time p4p legends that are considered by fans in 50 years will include the likes of Jones, Hopkins Floyd.. Its like theyre never really appreciated until they are gone.. we will see how far sloyd goes before he actually hangs up the gloves.. he could well be considered in the same light given many years to mull it over...Course srr was a beast of a hitter too which floyd lacks..Lol damn that man was a ledge..

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

When deciding the #1 of all time, you have to factor in EVERYTHING, not just achievements IMO.

Depending on how he closes out his career, I think Floyd Mayweather could have a good case for being the greatest of all time. I know the Floyd haters are going to laugh at this, but if you put aside any personal bias while watching his fight footage its easy to see that you can put this guy up with anyone who ever fought. I mean where are Floyd's weaknesses? He can seemingly adapt to any style. Where Robinson has the edge in punching power, Floyd has a serious edge in superior defense.

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It has nothing to do with hating and everything to do with him refusing to test how good he actually is. He was fantastic in the lower weight classes, but has shunned the most deserving competition in his higher ones. That is not hate, but well established opinion by many. Floyd gets a lot of flack for a reason and not just because.

I heard he is now going to give up his WBC belt. With somewhat of a mini unification fight coming up, could it be because he does not want to get pressured into a full unification fight with the winner? Who knows, but the timing really sucks.

Roy Jones Jnr is the best p4p fighter I have ever seen and if he retired after the Ruiz fight we would all say that he was number 1. Well most of us :)

its all about how you evaluate these things.

there are 2 schools of thought ability and acheivements.

For some reason we seem to be moulded into believing the greatest fighters werent neccesarily the ones who saw and conquered everything in the sport but those who gave us the more lasting memorys.

Ali is not only considered the greatest boxer of all time but proffessional sportsman. There are many that argue this case, some will claim marciano/lewis on terms of acheivements should be considered far greater heavyweights. Some suggest frazier/foreman on natural all out ability.

The great thing about ali was that whenever he had to shine, whenever he had the chance to look completely awe inspiring he rose to the occasion.

For that reason i have him as the greatest heavyweight of all time and he always will be in my eyes.

As for the greatest P4P - Its a whole different can of worms that various different things have to be considered before you can make judgement.

In terms of natural ability ali/leonard, acomplishments robinson/marciano