Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
Yeah Khan is someone who has legitimate problems with his chin. I think that's been more then proven and until then I can't possibly pick Khan against anyone with a talent and some pop. And the lightweight division is one with a bunch of a power, I mean even Casamayor has a ton of power, one shot power. And then go jump a division and possibly even 2 and match Khan up against a guy with huge power? I don't care what they did with headgear on I don't see how anyone picks Khan in that matchup when he has this giant red flag in his chin.
If Khan's chin is half as bad as it looks like it might be, he isn't going to win a lot of fights against the top tier charging forward recklessly. Hate to be so down but finally they matched him up with someone who isn't a powder puff puncher, let's see how he reacts. If he gets hit flush and keeps coming then I'll ease off the brake pedal a bit.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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:o You do know that Ortiz was "tortured" and didn't make it past 2 rounds when he fought "Con" in the amateurs in 2003??
I doubt that he would torture Khan, Khan is much more technically skilled than Ortiz and would probably stop him in the late rounds. Saying that Khan does need to tighten up his defense a bit more, other than that he is coming along perfectly. People keep saying he fightin bums etc but thats due to Warren, Khan will soon be leaving him, you heard it here first!
Don't worry about VD, he just hates British boxers. It doesn't matter if Khan becomes pound for pound number one, VD still won't rate him.
Personally I'm hoping Casamayor keeps winning so that eventually Khan can KO him.
Con will keep winning. No doubt. Especially considering the shot fighters and bums he's facing. Seriously does anybody really think Gomez has a chance?
But even if he eventually ends up p4pno1 you'll still not rate him, will you?
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Seriously does anybody really think Gomez has a chance?
its all down to how much you rate Khan in the first place...
I think Gomez might just shock a few people mate ;)
he aint the fighter he used to be but if he connects he'll hit Khan harder than hes ever been hit.
really supprised with this matchup as Gomez has a good chance of winning this IMO i think they are underestimating him BIGTIME ;)
Gomez will be dangerous for about six rounds then he'll gas like last time out. I wonder if he'll try and throw rights over the top or will he just throw his left hook. Still don't see him beating Khan though.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
Don't worry about VD, he just hates British boxers. It doesn't matter if Khan becomes pound for pound number one, VD still won't rate him.
Personally I'm hoping Casamayor keeps winning so that eventually Khan can KO him.
Con will keep winning. No doubt. Especially considering the shot fighters and bums he's facing. Seriously does anybody really think Gomez has a chance?
But even if he eventually ends up p4pno1 you'll still not rate him, will you?
So if Audley Harrison all of a sudden became heavyweight champion will you all of a sudden say he's good? Come on now, there's just some things you just know will not happen. Con will never, ever be p4p number 1. Take that to the bank.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
Con will keep winning. No doubt. Especially considering the shot fighters and bums he's facing. Seriously does anybody really think Gomez has a chance?
But even if he eventually ends up p4pno1 you'll still not rate him, will you?
So if Audley Harrison all of a sudden became heavyweight champion will you all of a sudden say he's good? Come on now, there's just some things you just know will not happen. Con will never, ever be p4p number 1. Take that to the bank.
Just imagine that Con isn't British. Pretend he's Cuban and bald. You'd definitely rate him more than you do now.
Personally I think he's got flaws, especially a susceptibility to overhand rights, but he's still one of the top few prospects in the game. If he wasn't British you'd rate him.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
But even if he eventually ends up p4pno1 you'll still not rate him, will you?
So if Audley Harrison all of a sudden became heavyweight champion will you all of a sudden say he's good? Come on now, there's just some things you just know will not happen. Con will never, ever be p4p number 1. Take that to the bank.
Just imagine that Con isn't British. Pretend he's Cuban and bald. You'd definitely rate him more than you do now.
Personally I think he's got flaws, especially a susceptibility to overhand rights, but he's still one of the top few prospects in the game. If he wasn't British you'd rate him.
Find me a thread where I said Con was garbage and had no talent. You won't find one. Con is very talented. I've always said that. But I've also said he's overrated. Because he is. You Con fans are making it seem like Con has already proven himself. I've read ridicules things that Con can beat Campbell, Casamayor and other top fighters. How? Based on what? His win over a shot C level fighter Graham Earl? Now I'm reading crap that the Gomez fight is going to be competitive. :lolhaha: Give me a fukking break. Gomez is 3-3 in last 6 fights. He just went the distance in his last fight against a fighter who was 11-28. He is shot. His best win was 5 years ago. Con groupies are hyping him up so when he goes out in 2 rounds they can start praising Con even more. Come now. Who you guys trying to fool? Fact is Con has faced feather-fisted fighters since he turned pro. Now he's facing a decent puncher for the first time. And that decent puncher is beyond shot. I personally don't care that Con is from the UK. I just say it like it is. Yurkios Gamboa is another highly touted prospect. And he's Cuban like you said. I also think he's highly overrated.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
So if Audley Harrison all of a sudden became heavyweight champion will you all of a sudden say he's good? Come on now, there's just some things you just know will not happen. Con will never, ever be p4p number 1. Take that to the bank.
Just imagine that Con isn't British. Pretend he's Cuban and bald. You'd definitely rate him more than you do now.
Personally I think he's got flaws, especially a susceptibility to overhand rights, but he's still one of the top few prospects in the game. If he wasn't British you'd rate him.
Find me a thread where I said Con was garbage and had no talent. You won't find one. Con is very talented. I've always said that. But I've also said he's overrated. Because he is. You Con fans are making it seem like Con has already proven himself. I've read ridicules things that Con can beat Campbell, Casamayor and other top fighters. How? Based on what? His win over a shot C level fighter Graham Earl? Now I'm reading crap that the Gomez fight is going to be competitive. :lolhaha: Give me a fukking break. Gomez is 3-3 in last 6 fights. He just went the distance in his last fight against a fighter who was 11-28. He is shot. His best win was 5 years ago. Con groupies are hyping him up so when he goes out in 2 rounds they can start praising Con even more. Come now. Who you guys trying to fool? Fact is Con has faced feather-fisted fighters since he turned pro. Now he's facing a decent puncher for the first time. And that decent puncher is beyond shot. I personally don't care that Con is from the UK. I just say it like it is.
Yurkios Gamboa is another highly touted prospect. And he's Cuban like you said. I also think he's highly overrated.
But is he bald? :cwm13:
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
So if Audley Harrison all of a sudden became heavyweight champion will you all of a sudden say he's good? Come on now, there's just some things you just know will not happen. Con will never, ever be p4p number 1. Take that to the bank.
Just imagine that Con isn't British. Pretend he's Cuban and bald. You'd definitely rate him more than you do now.
Personally I think he's got flaws, especially a susceptibility to overhand rights, but he's still one of the top few prospects in the game. If he wasn't British you'd rate him.
Find me a thread where I said Con was garbage and had no talent. You won't find one. Con is very talented. I've always said that. But I've also said he's overrated. Because he is. You Con fans are making it seem like Con has already proven himself. I've read ridicules things that Con can beat Campbell, Casamayor and other top fighters. How? Based on what? His win over a shot C level fighter Graham Earl? Now I'm reading crap that the Gomez fight is going to be competitive. :lolhaha: Give me a fukking break. Gomez is 3-3 in last 6 fights. He just went the distance in his last fight against a fighter who was 11-28. He is shot. His best win was 5 years ago. Con groupies are hyping him up so when he goes out in 2 rounds they can start praising Con even more. Come now. Who you guys trying to fool? Fact is Con has faced feather-fisted fighters since he turned pro. Now he's facing a decent puncher for the first time. And that decent puncher is beyond shot. I personally don't care that Con is from the UK. I just say it like it is. Yurkios Gamboa is another highly touted prospect. And he's Cuban like you said. I also think he's highly overrated.
I'm pleased to see you agree he's talented.
I don't think he's proved himself at all. I think he could do with a few more fights before he goes near one of the top lightweights, and even then his chin is questionable.
The Gomez fight is a step backwards. If Khan wins in the first round it doesn't prove anything. You've got to admit that you never rate British fighters.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
Just imagine that Con isn't British. Pretend he's Cuban and bald. You'd definitely rate him more than you do now.
Personally I think he's got flaws, especially a susceptibility to overhand rights, but he's still one of the top few prospects in the game. If he wasn't British you'd rate him.
Find me a thread where I said Con was garbage and had no talent. You won't find one. Con is very talented. I've always said that. But I've also said he's overrated. Because he is. You Con fans are making it seem like Con has already proven himself. I've read ridicules things that Con can beat Campbell, Casamayor and other top fighters. How? Based on what? His win over a shot C level fighter Graham Earl? Now I'm reading crap that the Gomez fight is going to be competitive. :lolhaha: Give me a fukking break. Gomez is 3-3 in last 6 fights. He just went the distance in his last fight against a fighter who was 11-28. He is shot. His best win was 5 years ago. Con groupies are hyping him up so when he goes out in 2 rounds they can start praising Con even more. Come now. Who you guys trying to fool? Fact is Con has faced feather-fisted fighters since he turned pro. Now he's facing a decent puncher for the first time. And that decent puncher is beyond shot. I personally don't care that Con is from the UK. I just say it like it is. Yurkios Gamboa is another highly touted prospect. And he's Cuban like you said. I also think he's highly overrated.
I'm pleased to see you agree he's talented.
I don't think he's proved himself at all. I think he could do with a few more fights before he goes near one of the top lightweights, and even then his chin is questionable.
The Gomez fight is a step backwards. If Khan wins in the first round it doesn't prove anything. You've got to admit that you never rate British fighters.
I'll rate any fighter that deserves to be rated. I don't care where he's from. Violent D does not discriminate. He doesn't believe in it.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
Find me a thread where I said Con was garbage and had no talent. You won't find one. Con is very talented. I've always said that. But I've also said he's overrated. Because he is. You Con fans are making it seem like Con has already proven himself. I've read ridicules things that Con can beat Campbell, Casamayor and other top fighters. How? Based on what? His win over a shot C level fighter Graham Earl? Now I'm reading crap that the Gomez fight is going to be competitive. :lolhaha: Give me a fukking break. Gomez is 3-3 in last 6 fights. He just went the distance in his last fight against a fighter who was 11-28. He is shot. His best win was 5 years ago. Con groupies are hyping him up so when he goes out in 2 rounds they can start praising Con even more. Come now. Who you guys trying to fool? Fact is Con has faced feather-fisted fighters since he turned pro. Now he's facing a decent puncher for the first time. And that decent puncher is beyond shot. I personally don't care that Con is from the UK. I just say it like it is. Yurkios Gamboa is another highly touted prospect. And he's Cuban like you said. I also think he's highly overrated.
I'm pleased to see you agree he's talented.
I don't think he's proved himself at all. I think he could do with a few more fights before he goes near one of the top lightweights, and even then his chin is questionable.
The Gomez fight is a step backwards. If Khan wins in the first round it doesn't prove anything. You've got to admit that you never rate British fighters.
I'll rate any fighter that deserves to be rated. I don't care where he's from. Violent D does not discriminate. He doesn't believe in it.
You're fooling no-one, Demise.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
I'm pleased to see you agree he's talented.
I don't think he's proved himself at all. I think he could do with a few more fights before he goes near one of the top lightweights, and even then his chin is questionable.
The Gomez fight is a step backwards. If Khan wins in the first round it doesn't prove anything. You've got to admit that you never rate British fighters.
I'll rate any fighter that deserves to be rated. I don't care where he's from. Violent D does not discriminate. He doesn't believe in it.
You're fooling no-one, Demise.
It's like I said before. I drink a lot of Tanguary and have always loved Michelle Thorn. Violent D loves the UK. Always has. I have no idea why people would say otherwise. I am truly baffled.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
I'll rate any fighter that deserves to be rated. I don't care where he's from. Violent D does not discriminate. He doesn't believe in it.
You're fooling no-one, Demise.
It's like I said before. I drink a lot of Tanguary and have always loved Michelle Thorn. Violent D loves the UK. Always has. I have no idea why people would say otherwise. I am truly baffled.
:)
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Khan stopped Ortiz in the amateurs ;)
Like that means anything in the pros. :LOLATYOU:
You think that wouldn't mean anything if they fought? :LOLATYOU:
Ortiz hadn't lost for 2 years. They are the same age. Khan is his daddy. Fact.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Kirkland Laing
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Saddo
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Violent Demise
Seriously does anybody really think Gomez has a chance?
its all down to how much you rate Khan in the first place...
I think Gomez might just shock a few people mate ;)
he aint the fighter he used to be but if he connects he'll hit Khan harder than hes ever been hit.
really supprised with this matchup as Gomez has a good chance of winning this IMO i think they are underestimating him BIGTIME ;)
Gomez will be dangerous for about six rounds then he'll gas like last time out. I wonder if he'll try and throw rights over the top or will he just throw his left hook. Still don't see him beating Khan though.
Gomez doesn't have the punch resistance to last six rounds. He never had a great chin in his superfeather pomp.
Khan will KO him quick.
Re: Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz
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Yeah Khan is someone who has legitimate problems with his chin. I think that's been more then proven and until then I can't possibly pick Khan against anyone with a talent and some pop. And the lightweight division is one with a bunch of a power, I mean even Casamayor has a ton of power, one shot power. And then go jump a division and possibly even 2 and match Khan up against a guy with huge power? I don't care what they did with headgear on I don't see how anyone picks Khan in that matchup when he has this giant red flag in his chin.
If Khan's chin is half as bad as it looks like it might be, he isn't going to win a lot of fights against the top tier charging forward recklessly. Hate to be so down but finally they matched him up with someone who isn't a powder puff puncher, let's see how he reacts. If he gets hit flush and keeps coming then I'll ease off the brake pedal a bit.
Khan has dodgy chin, for sure. Chances are he'll lose sooner rather than later because of it.
But Ortiz was hurt and dumped on his arse by a journeyman last time.
Lets be fair ;)
