Dude.. Why the harsh response..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
In all fairness what he said to you was light hearted.. and its not like you havent been around long enough not to know that was out of order.
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Dude.. Why the harsh response..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
In all fairness what he said to you was light hearted.. and its not like you havent been around long enough not to know that was out of order.
Taeth this is a gay thread. You know in your heart that a fight with Cotto would silence all the legitimate critics for quite sometime. In fact, YOU KNOW DEEP DOWN THAT Floyd hasn't been fighting the best lately or you wouldn't have made this thread.
But, maybe you are just hoping Floyd is reading this and going to give you some fight tickets whenever he comes out of retirement (like your cousins that had that youtube fight show)? I'll give you the benefit.
Fighting Oscar at 154 is way riskier than Cotto at 147... No way Cotto moves up to 154 and beats Delahoya.. No friggin way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
Judah is the PFP#1 fighter in 5 round fights
Mosely has quick hands, Chin and Power but isint as slick nor is he as technically and fundamentaly sound as Mayweather and dosent even hold a candle to his Floyd defense..
So Floyd aint comparing himself to those two if he is making a potential matchup to Cotto
Sorry JT but Cotto at 147 is way more of a risk then De La Hoya at 154. De La Hoya isn't a pressure fighter so he couldn't even use his size to his advantage. Oscar had Floyd on the ropes a bunch and he looked very poor. The best thing De La Hoya had going for him was his jab and his defense, and a jab and defense is never going to beat Floyd. The size was a complete non factor in that fight. Cotto actually has a pressuring style with the ability to not be overwhelmed by the skills of Floyd.
And I don't buy that De La Hoya beats Cotto either no matter what the weight, what makes you think that? Forbes got to De La Hoya, Mayweather hurt De La Hoya with a couple uppercuts and at this point in his career, De La Hoya just can't match Cotto offensively. I think it would be a lopsided fight.
Who wouldn't want to see Mayweather-Paul Williams assuming Mayweather beat Cotto? Mayweather has a real chance to make his resume (which is all ready very good don't get me wrong) stack up to his abilities, he has a great chance in the next couple of years if he wants too. Even though nobody really wants to see ODLH again that's not a bad win any way you look at it, and then there's so much at 147, what if he beat ODLH, Cotto and Williams back to back? That's probably wishful thinking but why not give it a try? Its not like the guy's old, he's got the rest of his life to produce shitty rap albums and throw money up in the air.
Sorry I disagree wholeheartedly... a pressure fighter is tailor made for Delahoya.. Delahoya would trouble Cotto with the Jab and I think Oscars jaw would fair better in the exchanges...Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Cmon Amat of course Delahoya's size is a non factor against a slick speedy defensively sound fighter.. Oscar is at his absolute best when he dosent have to find you.
Same here, I already stated all the reasons why I just can't see Cotto winning against Mayweather no matter how much I want to see Mayweather loose.Quote:
I think Taeth's point is....'no matter who he beats there will always be another guy on the way up who fans think could beat him'
I think Mayweather would beat Cotto quite handily
Even if Mayweather stayed after beating Cotto, Margarito, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to hear others complain "Well, if he was a heavyweight I am sure X would have kicked his ass" :rolleyes: . That is what happens when you have someone dominate the sport.
Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I disagree on the Cotto comment sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockFighting Oscar at 154 is way riskier than Cotto at 147... No way Cotto moves up to 154 and beats Delahoya.. No friggin way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Put Em' Up
Judah is the PFP#1 fighter in 5 round fights
Mosely has quick hands, Chin and Power but isint as slick nor is he as technically and fundamentaly sound as Mayweather and dosent even hold a candle to his Floyd defense..
So Floyd aint comparing himself to those two if he is making a potential matchup to Cotto
Never said that Mosley or Judah were as good as Mayweather but it is a smaple of what he will face in the r8ing and he is not having any of it.
PERIOD. Since his lightweight days Floyd has never looked for a fight that would be difficult except for the DLH bout and that was Oscars doing and money that enticed that bout not Floyd wanting it. to prove anything.
I'm not saying Cotto isnt' a great fighter...
I think he beats
every 147 pounder out there right now, but I don't think he would ever beat Mayweather. Cotto is a great fighter, but his style isn't suited to fighting a guy who moves and has the ability of Mayweather, Cotto is lucky Malignaggi didn't move more, and that Mosley didn't either because when they did Cotto got a lot less done, and Mayweather is vastly superior fighter to either of them when moving backwards, and Judah for that matter. None of them use the amount of movement Mayweather does, none of them have his defensive skills, or ability to change directions quicky(except Judah, but he hardly ever throws his left hand, and he doesn't keep moving).
Mayweather hasn't foughten the top p4p guys he could have, but in terms of who would give him a tough fight I think Oscar and Hatton presented very real problems for MAyweather, Hatton it was his inside fighting, footspeed, constant pressure and I think the fight would have been a little toughter wihtout Cortez, and Oscar presented hand speed, experience, size, power, great chin.
Cotto is an interesting matchup for Mayweather, but in the end Mayweather would stay outside Cotto's distance, block nearly everything Cotto threw and gradually taken over the fight landing stiff right hands and left hooks. I think it would be a UD wiht Mayweahter winning 116-112 ish.
Well it is one thing saying Mayweather would beat Cotto, it is quite another him actually doing it. ;)
I agree with several of your points. I also don't think Cotto could beat Mayweather. Cotto, in my opinion, fought a past prime Shane Mosley to a draw. If a slower Shane can pose problems for Cotto, a much faster and better defensive fighter like Floyd would out point him for victory. I also agree with your original post...Floyd can beat the top dogs...and some people wont be satisfied. Some people just don't like Floyd and others might not like him but really think his career resume isn't spectacular. I count myself in the latter group. I certainly am not a fan of Floyd as a person, but i respect his skills as a boxer tremendously. However, i just don't think his resume compares to some of the all time greats. This could be because of the era he has been fighting in (this era just doesn't compare to the days of hagler, hearns, duran, leonard), it could be that he has chosen his opponents carefully and smartly (especially in recent years), or it could be a combination of these two things. But as it stands right now...Floyd has fought some very good fighters, but the biggest and most noteworthy victory in his career is a 35 year old Oscar. Sure, he took a risk against Oscar in going up in weight...and credit should be given to him...but can we truly call that a career defining fight? The point i most strongly disagree with you on is your praise about his fight against Hatton. No disrespect to Ricky, he has a lot of heart and spirit...but i just don't see how any knowledgable boxing fan thought he had a more than slim chance against Floyd. He was undersized and knows how to fight only one way...both things being perfect for a fighter like Floyd. So with all due respect to Hatton and his fans...i give Floyd very little props for defeating Hatton. That was an "event" fight...plain and simple. The hype should not have blinded people into thinking Floyd accomplished something spectacular. That fight reminded me of Floyd's fight with Gatti. Sure, Hatton is a better fighter than Gatti...but like Hatton...Gatti was tailor made for a fighter with Floyd's skill...and like the Hatton fight...Floyd got waaaaaay to much credit for beating Gatti. I think a lot of people just want Floyd to beat great young fighters who could make things interesting. Could Floyd fight and beat Cotto, Williams, etc.....sure. But at least those fighters aren't over the hill, undersized, or one dimensional. Those aren't simply EVENT fights sold through hype as something more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Cracking postQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubinI agree with several of your points. I also don't think Cotto could beat Mayweather. Cotto, in my opinion, fought a past prime Shane Mosley to a draw. If a slower Shane can pose problems for Cotto, a much faster and better defensive fighter like Floyd would out point him for victory. I also agree with your original post...Floyd can beat the top dogs...and some people wont be satisfied. Some people just don't like Floyd and others might not like him but really think his career resume isn't spectacular. I count myself in the latter group. I certainly am not a fan of Floyd as a person, but i respect his skills as a boxer tremendously. However, i just don't think his resume compares to some of the all time greats. This could be because of the era he has been fighting in (this era just doesn't compare to the days of hagler, hearns, duran, leonard), it could be that he has chosen his opponents carefully and smartly (especially in recent years), or it could be a combination of these two things. But as it stands right now...Floyd has fought some very good fighters, but the biggest and most noteworthy victory in his career is a 35 year old Oscar. Sure, he took a risk against Oscar in going up in weight...and credit should be given to him...but can we truly call that a career defining fight? The point i most strongly disagree with you on is your praise about his fight against Hatton. No disrespect to Ricky, he has a lot of heart and spirit...but i just don't see how any knowledgable boxing fan thought he had a more than slim chance against Floyd. He was undersized and knows how to fight only one way...both things being perfect for a fighter like Floyd. So with all due respect to Hatton and his fans...i give Floyd very little props for defeating Hatton. That was an "event" fight...plain and simple. The hype should not have blinded people into thinking Floyd accomplished something spectacular. That fight reminded me of Floyd's fight with Gatti. Sure, Hatton is a better fighter than Gatti...but like Hatton...Gatti was tailor made for a fighter with Floyd's skill...and like the Hatton fight...Floyd got waaaaaay to much credit for beating Gatti. I think a lot of people just want Floyd to beat great young fighters who could make things interesting. Could Floyd fight and beat Cotto, Williams, etc.....sure. But at least those fighters aren't over the hill, undersized, or one dimensional. Those aren't simply EVENT fights sold through hype as something more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I agree, for a fighter of his experience, going for headshots was a total waste of punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Wow! I think that makes maybe 2 or 3 of us in the whole forum that can't see Cotto winning no matter how much we want that to happen. I can see Mayweather winning by an unquestionable UD, not so sure if he could win by KO/TKO but didn't we all think the same when he faced Hatton?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth