Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
THIS era? When does the fab four ever get shit for ducking Aaron Pryor? When do legends like Sugar Ray Robinson, Lamotta and Conn get shit for ducking Charley Burley?
To suggest that Floyd gets away with anything is rediculous. Fans rag on Floyd whenever they get an oppertunity to do so.
Didn't you know, it's only now become a business, and fighters always fought the best throughout time regardless of the money involved.
Like Jack Johnson during his HW reign. Boy, he sure fought every worthwhile challenger regardless of the skin-color and the money fighting guys of certain skin color would mean. Jack Dempsey, boy he sure kept active as a HW champ rather than taking part in well-paid exhibitions.
Ray Robinson never cared about money, he never said "I'm too pretty to fight Charley Burley" or fought for every last dollar. He never admitted "boxing is a business and I never enjoyed it". Could you imagine him trying to be a tap dancer and a singer? No way!
All the fighters of the past took on the most deserving challengers regardless of monetary value.
Archie Moore, Charley Burley, Ezzard Charles, Harry Wills, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVae, Sam Langford, Holman Williams, Lloyd Marshall.
They ALL got their deserved shots at the big time at the right time, because all the fighters and promoters knew that merit was more important than money!!
Damn this modern era where it's all about money. Let's go back to the honest 1950s with Jim Norris and Frankie Carbo! It was a true sport then, not a business!
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
I could care less what Floyd chooses to do... If he want to retire, whether it be to wait for money, scared... Whatever...
Who cares...
While he's dicking the dog we can watch the rest of the hugely talented div. actually fight eachother... Rather then care about the rediculousness that has come to be the Mayweather clan... They are a joke...
Is Floyd the #1 P4P? Absolutly. Do I give a shit what scam he's running no. Cuz he'll be back. He'll fight anyone out there if the money's right... He pisses me off and he's made himself into a laughing stock but he's still the best.
Fuck this "retirment"...
He's a moron... Calling him a genius... Hell, calling any of the mayweathers geniuses should be grounds for a psyc evaluation...
That is all...
Oddly enough I didn't take any offense to that being that I usually agree with you on most of the things you say.
That way I see it, I feel like all of us (boxing fans) would just say something around the lines of "I KNEW IT!" To a casual boxing fan (I KNOW A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE), they are the first ones to say "OH MY GOD! HE CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT!" Those are the people that need persuading to really get into boxing. Scams like Floyd is currently trying to pull off, work on people like that. People like us on the other hand, need no more convincing, we are already boxing fans.
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Hughesd
I think he's very clever and manipulative. He knows everyone's talking about his retirement and once Cotto and Tony have fought everyone will be screaming for him to fight the winner and the fight will generate so much money for Floyd that he will have to take it. That's clever buisness sense.
Nice!
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
I wonder how long it'll take Mayweather to "un-retire".
I'll be surprised if he's still "retired" at the end of the year.
Hell, I'm still have my doubts on whether or not the Sept 20 rematch with DLH won't occur.
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
[quote=caleoh12;535229][quote=PRIDE OF BOSTON;533542]I could care less what Floyd chooses to do... If he want to retire, whether it be to wait for money, scared... Whatever...
Who cares...
While he's dicking the dog we can watch the rest of the hugely talented div. actually fight eachother... Rather then care about the rediculousness that has come to be the Mayweather clan... They are a joke...
Is Floyd the #1 P4P? Absolutly. Do I give a shit what scam he's running no. Cuz he'll be back. He'll fight anyone out there if the money's right... He pisses me off and he's made himself into a laughing stock but he's still the best.
Fuck this "retirment"...
He's a moron... Calling him a genius... Hell, calling any of the mayweathers geniuses should be grounds for a psyc evaluation...
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I'm glad you didn't take offese cuz it was light hearted... and not ment as an insult. I think you got the gist. ;)
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
In 40 years time your grandaughters boyfriend is going to walk into your house.
At first you'll be delighted to hear that he's a boxing fan like yourself.
However, differences will arise when he claims his generation of boxers are far superior to those of your generation.
What will you do? Will you say; yeah the best fighter of my generation was an ass!
or
will you present the case of our most talented fighter and explain how Mayweathers education in the sport was rivalled by none?
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
In 40 years time your grandaughters boyfriend is going to walk into your house.
At first you'll be delighted to hear that he's a boxing fan like yourself.
However, differences will arise when he claims his generation of boxers are far superior to those of your generation.
What will you do? Will you say; yeah the best fighter of my generation was an ass!
or
will you present the case of our most talented fighter and explain how Mayweathers education in the sport was rivalled by none?
Surely that all depend on the level of fighter around during that era.
Techniques within boxing have drastically changed over the last 20-30 years and i very much doubt they`ll be altered too much over the coming generations which should give us an accurate judgement as to which era was the best.
Fighters of 60-70s used to rarely pay much attention to the economics of fighting on the back foot and most contests were just seen as out and ou fights.
I cant imagine what the likes of jake la motta, SRR and joe louis would of made of fighters like PBF, B-Hop etc
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
In 40 years time your grandaughters boyfriend is going to walk into your house.
At first you'll be delighted to hear that he's a boxing fan like yourself.
However, differences will arise when he claims his generation of boxers are far superior to those of your generation.
What will you do? Will you say; yeah the best fighter of my generation was an ass!
or
will you present the case of our most talented fighter and explain how Mayweathers education in the sport was rivalled by none?
I wouldn't call Roy Jones an ass - cocky maybe, but not an ass ;D
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
bcollins
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
In 40 years time your grandaughters boyfriend is going to walk into your house.
At first you'll be delighted to hear that he's a boxing fan like yourself.
However, differences will arise when he claims his generation of boxers are far superior to those of your generation.
What will you do? Will you say; yeah the best fighter of my generation was an ass!
or
will you present the case of our most talented fighter and explain how Mayweathers education in the sport was rivalled by none?
I wouldn't call Roy Jones an ass - cocky maybe, but not an ass ;D
Because of his arrogance and cockyness it often gets over looked but RJJ is actually one of the smartest masters of the sport of his generation.
If you ever here him commentating for HBO the guy can tell you things that are going to happen that havent even happened yet.
He and barrera are both in ring genius`s!!
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
bcollins
I wouldn't call Roy Jones an ass - cocky maybe, but not an ass ;D
I've expressed this opinion before, but in all honesty, if you gave me a choice of having Floyd's skills or Roy's natural ability, I'd pick Floyd's every day of the week.
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
bcollins
I wouldn't call Roy Jones an ass - cocky maybe, but not an ass ;D
I've expressed this opinion before, but in all honesty, if you gave me a choice of having Floyd's skills or Roy's natural ability, I'd pick Floyd's every day of the week.
No truer words have been said;)
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
I'm sorry Gyrokai bro... We been getting along more lately. but this is some more anti Floyd propaganda. seems like the only time you and that moron Bxk73009 or whatever the hell is name is only post anti floyd propaganda and cant wait to jump on Floyd.
If Floyd dosent want to fight than why should he fight? He trains hard not you or I.. Floyd is the best prepared boxer of his generation, the guy runs thru the desert and trains at all hours of the day... He owes no one nothing!!! Nothing!!! especially guys like you who hated him from the beginning..If he dosent have the desire to prepare or train like he wants to why subject himself to the torture.. Just because you or the rest of the haters say so... Bullshit!!! The guy is the best in the world bar none!! You can pick apart every boxer that ever fought and find fault with their opposition or whatever... Guys like Floyd are appreciated when they are gone and no one steps up to take their place...
Leonard for instance pressed for his rematch with Duran when he knew he was at his weakest makinf weight and partying and blowing his money... That was cerebal and calculated and can be interpruted as cowardly.. But Leonard exploited Duran and added that scalp, and has veneration.. But Floyd may wait for Margo/Cotto to beat the shiit and destroy themselves and get a fight with the winner. Why is he bastersised?
First of all, there's a huge difference between propaganda and the Truth.
You are obviously not as boxing savvy as me to know the difference between a great fighter and a guy who is made to look great. I already warned you that if you can't handle the truth you shouldn't read my posts anymore. It is what it is.
Easiest most vulnerable opponents for years now. How can that be explained?
Again, I don't have no problem if he's just trying to make the most money he can but he's not living up to P4P responsibility, period. He talks about him being the money man or whatever but DLH and Hatton were the real sellers of those fights wether you can handle it or not.
Why do you thing he doesn't want to fight anyone else these days? Because he knows that his true PPV drawing power would be exposed badly and he would be actually taking a risk of losing in the process. That's why.
The only reason I can think of that just about every site had him atop the P4P rankings is because of the hype and they were all afraid to be the first to take off the top spot and be ridiculed by other sites. You can clearly tell how they really felt because they were hinting on the articles all the time.
I just wish one of them would have been brave enough lead and give the credit to the real fighters that are involved in the real fights.
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
I'm sorry Gyrokai bro... We been getting along more lately. but this is some more anti Floyd propaganda. seems like the only time you and that moron Bxk73009 or whatever the hell is name is only post anti floyd propaganda and cant wait to jump on Floyd.
If Floyd dosent want to fight than why should he fight? He trains hard not you or I.. Floyd is the best prepared boxer of his generation, the guy runs thru the desert and trains at all hours of the day... He owes no one nothing!!! Nothing!!! especially guys like you who hated him from the beginning..If he dosent have the desire to prepare or train like he wants to why subject himself to the torture.. Just because you or the rest of the haters say so... Bullshit!!! The guy is the best in the world bar none!! You can pick apart every boxer that ever fought and find fault with their opposition or whatever... Guys like Floyd are appreciated when they are gone and no one steps up to take their place...
Leonard for instance pressed for his rematch with Duran when he knew he was at his weakest makinf weight and partying and blowing his money... That was cerebal and calculated and can be interpruted as cowardly.. But Leonard exploited Duran and added that scalp, and has veneration.. But Floyd may wait for Margo/Cotto to beat the shiit and destroy themselves and get a fight with the winner. Why is he bastersised?
First of all, there's a huge difference between propaganda and the Truth.
You are obviously not as boxing savvy as me to know the difference between a great fighter and a guy who is made to look great. I already warned you that if you can't handle the truth you shouldn't read my posts anymore. It is what it is.
Easiest most vulnerable opponents for years now. How can that be explained?
Again, I don't have no problem if he's just trying to make the most money he can but he's not living up to P4P responsibility, period. He talks about him being the money man or whatever but DLH and Hatton were the real sellers of those fights wether you can handle it or not.
Why do you thing he doesn't want to fight anyone else these days? Because he knows that his true PPV drawing power would be exposed badly and he would be actually taking a risk of losing in the process. That's why.
The only reason I can think of that just about every site had him atop the P4P rankings is because of the hype and they were all afraid to be the first to take off the top spot and be ridiculed by other sites. You can clearly tell how they really felt because they were hinting on the articles all the time.
I just wish one of them would have been brave enough lead and give the credit to the real fighters that are involved in the real fights.
I agree some of your post. The rest I have some issues with. I am in agreement that he "is made to look to be great". But make no mistake. He is P4P #1... Pac is a CLOSE second. To say that DelaHoya and Hatton were not "real" fights is crazy. The public wanted those fights and got them. I am not a Mayweather fan by any way, shape or form but don't get it twisted... He IS P4P #1...
That being said, there are many people on this site and others that have Pac as #1. No one can argue with that. Pac has paid his dues in full. I'ts just really where you choose to place them. Anyone could put forth a great argument that Pac deserves #1 and they wouldn't be wrong.
P4P is a hypothetical list and I've even heard decent arguments about Joe C at #1... Do I think he is? Hell no. But that's not my list. I have him at 3.
Anyway, good post and points taken.
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
I'm sorry Gyrokai bro... We been getting along more lately. but this is some more anti Floyd propaganda. seems like the only time you and that moron Bxk73009 or whatever the hell is name is only post anti floyd propaganda and cant wait to jump on Floyd.
If Floyd dosent want to fight than why should he fight? He trains hard not you or I.. Floyd is the best prepared boxer of his generation, the guy runs thru the desert and trains at all hours of the day... He owes no one nothing!!! Nothing!!! especially guys like you who hated him from the beginning..If he dosent have the desire to prepare or train like he wants to why subject himself to the torture.. Just because you or the rest of the haters say so... Bullshit!!! The guy is the best in the world bar none!! You can pick apart every boxer that ever fought and find fault with their opposition or whatever... Guys like Floyd are appreciated when they are gone and no one steps up to take their place...
Leonard for instance pressed for his rematch with Duran when he knew he was at his weakest makinf weight and partying and blowing his money... That was cerebal and calculated and can be interpruted as cowardly.. But Leonard exploited Duran and added that scalp, and has veneration.. But Floyd may wait for Margo/Cotto to beat the shiit and destroy themselves and get a fight with the winner. Why is he bastersised?
First of all, there's a huge difference between propaganda and the Truth.
You are obviously not as boxing savvy as me to know the difference between a great fighter and a guy who is made to look great. I already warned you that if you can't handle the truth you shouldn't read my posts anymore. It is what it is.
Easiest most vulnerable opponents for years now. How can that be explained?
Again, I don't have no problem if he's just trying to make the most money he can but he's not living up to P4P responsibility, period. He talks about him being the money man or whatever but DLH and Hatton were the real sellers of those fights wether you can handle it or not.
Why do you thing he doesn't want to fight anyone else these days? Because he knows that his true PPV drawing power would be exposed badly and he would be actually taking a risk of losing in the process. That's why.
The only reason I can think of that just about every site had him atop the P4P rankings is because of the hype and they were all afraid to be the first to take off the top spot and be ridiculed by other sites. You can clearly tell how they really felt because they were hinting on the articles all the time.
I just wish one of them would have been brave enough lead and give the credit to the real fighters that are involved in the real fights.
I agree some of your post. The rest I have some issues with. I am in agreement that he "is made to look to be great". But make no mistake. He is P4P #1... Pac is a CLOSE second. To say that DelaHoya and Hatton were not "real" fights is crazy. The public wanted those fights and got them. I am not a Mayweather fan by any way, shape or form but don't get it twisted... He IS P4P #1...
That being said, there are many people on this site and others that have Pac as #1. No one can argue with that. Pac has paid his dues in full. I'ts just really where you choose to place them. Anyone could put forth a great argument that Pac deserves #1 and they wouldn't be wrong.
P4P is a hypothetical list and I've even heard decent arguments about Joe C at #1... Do I think he is? Hell no. But that's not my list. I have him at 3.
Anyway, good post and points taken.
I hear your points for sure but the thing is that although I personally think Joe C is the #1 fighter in the world, by resume alone you have to go with Pac regardless of how good floyd looks against the guys he fights.
Reason being is that DLH is far from the fighter he once was and he was inactive for awhile before the fight and Hatton was knocked back into the JWW division by light punching Collazo. Hatton also comes in often with his hands too low so it was only a matter of time. That doesn't say all that much to me.
Pac has been fighting the best of his division and that's where you see what a guy is really made of. It's not that difficult for top tier fighters like floyd to look like gods against that level of competition.
That's my view.
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
Easiest most vulnerable opponents for years now. How can that be explained?
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Thats YOUR opinion sir
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
Again, I don't have no problem if he's just trying to make the most money he can but he's not living up to P4P responsibility, period. He talks about him being the money man or whatever but DLH and Hatton were the real sellers of those fights wether you can handle it or not.
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Who cares what he says or about who the money guy was:confused: It takes 2 to tango, he pulled his weight for the promotion of those fights and his PFP#1 status sure as hell had a big hand advancing it... Again dude you are nit picking old bitty style hater.
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Bx730NY
Why do you thing he doesn't want to fight anyone else these days? Because he knows that his true PPV drawing power would be exposed badly and he would be actually taking a risk of losing in the process. That's why.
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Yep sure that was it.......DING!!! Tell em what he won Chuck...:rolleyes: You used the word truth earlier, when in fact this is all YOUR biased opinion and right wing BS:mad:
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
The only reason I can think of that just about every site had him atop the P4P rankings is because of the hype and they were all afraid to be the first to take off the top spot and be ridiculed by other sites. You can clearly tell how they really felt because they were hinting on the articles all the time.
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Hey Junior, you ever think of contacting the government on sorting out the whole Kennedy assasination conspiracy.You got this shit down pat:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
I just wish one of them would have been brave enough lead and give the credit to the real fighters that are involved in the real fights.
Again you show your ignorance and demonstrate the highest level of personal biased...
Dont ever post the word "truth" and attach this nonsense, that isint even fit to line a bird cage...
I appreciate you trying and all but as usual your arguments are like trying to put gas in a wrecked car... Makes no sense at all. But hey thanks for coming by hope I cleared it up for you;)
Re: Mayweather ducks and he gets commended
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
Easiest most vulnerable opponents for years now. How can that be explained?
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Thats YOUR opinion sir
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
Again, I don't have no problem if he's just trying to make the most money he can but he's not living up to P4P responsibility, period. He talks about him being the money man or whatever but DLH and Hatton were the real sellers of those fights wether you can handle it or not.
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Who cares what he says or about who the money guy was:confused: It takes 2 to tango, he pulled his weight for the promotion of those fights and his PFP#1 status sure as hell had a big hand advancing it... Again dude you are nit picking old bitty style hater.
Yep sure that was it.......
DING!!! Tell em what he won Chuck...:rolleyes: You used the word truth earlier, when in fact this is all YOUR biased opinion and right wing BS:mad:
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
The only reason I can think of that just about every site had him atop the P4P rankings is because of the hype and they were all afraid to be the first to take off the top spot and be ridiculed by other sites. You can clearly tell how they really felt because they were hinting on the articles all the time.
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Hey Junior, you ever think of contacting the government on sorting out the whole Kennedy assasination conspiracy.You got this shit down pat:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
I just wish one of them would have been brave enough lead and give the credit to the real fighters that are involved in the real fights.
Again you show your ignorance and demonstrate the highest level of personal biased...
Dont ever post the word "truth" and attach this nonsense, that isint even fit to line a bird cage...
I appreciate you trying and all but as usual your arguments are like trying to put gas in a wrecked car... Makes no sense at all. But hey thanks for coming by hope I cleared it up for you;)
That's the difference between boys like you and men like me: You admire guys who talk about they can do(floyd), I respect guys who keep their mouth shut and actually go out and do big things. (Cotto ,Margarito, Pavlik etc.....)
