Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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i really don't get why? what has he done anyways? plus his like 35 now and he hasn't fought at lightweight. its insulting to casa and nate. Not so for JMM and Pac cause they too haven't fought at the weight, and those two are the two best at the weight guzman formerly was. Not even just two of the best in a weight class but maybe top two p4p fighter right now and I aint seen guzman scrape top ten at the least p4p ranking.
I think you guys should reconsider about guzman being the best at lightweight, imo his likely to end up smashed up by the other top fighters.
What is it insulting to Casa or Nate ?? its purely my opinion that skill wise he is the best whats wrong in that ?? he has one of the quickiest hands, he reminds me of Mayweather especially with the shoulder roll, he has the quickiest feet. And boxing skills wise he is right up there with the very best at the moment, i know your not high on Guzman but i am and i will for certain bet that Guzman beats Pacquiao if that fight happens.
well its because casa and nate are legit lightweights that has cement accomplishments, ok then its just your oppinion like you said. Plus i am sure you will bet guzman will beat pac ;D 90% of the time you pick pacs oppenent :D
Im gonna go watch more of guzman, but i would never compare him to floyd. Floyd by 28 had accomplished ten times more then guzman has up to this point right now. Skill wise, i think its just a case of fans of floyds style being high on it but yet on an older less known fighter and less than half the accomplishment of the original floyd. it will end as soon as he steps up his level of oppenent, unlike floyd.
The only fighters i picked against Pacquiao was Barrera and that was because i was being loyal fan, i even stated before the fight that i thought Pacquiao would win. And the other one was Marquez based on a bad style match up for Pacquiao and he did come very close to beating Pac and i had Marquez winning by 1 point. Like i already said to Pacstraightleft i don't dislike Pacquiao i like his style but i believe Guzman is a bad style match up for him, but so is Casamayor and so is Campbell. But i think Pacquiao beats every other Lightweight without hesistation except those 3 names which are pick em fights based on styles.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Nate has the power to turn this fight, no doubt Guzman will be backpeddling from the first bell. Soto gave Guzman problems when he cornered him, but his problem was he hardly ever cornered him. Nate has way better ring generalship than that, I'm sticking with Campbell. Guzman has only impressed me with his speed so far.
I thought he gave Soto a boxing lesson i only had Soto winning a couple of rounds, yes Soto did corner Guzman but that was few a far between. Even great fighters like
Mayweather and Jones got cornered from time to time, but Guzman still dominated most of the action against Soto.
yea but not by a guy like soto who had 5 defeats coming into that fight.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
Guzran is well skilled but can't hurt a fly.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Julius Rain
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What is it insulting to Casa or Nate ?? its purely my opinion that skill wise he is the best whats wrong in that ?? he has one of the quickiest hands, he reminds me of Mayweather especially with the shoulder roll, he has the quickiest feet. And boxing skills wise he is right up there with the very best at the moment, i know your not high on Guzman but i am and i will for certain bet that Guzman beats Pacquiao if that fight happens.
well its because casa and nate are legit lightweights that has cement accomplishments, ok then its just your oppinion like you said. Plus i am sure you will bet guzman will beat pac ;D 90% of the time you pick pacs oppenent :D
Im gonna go watch more of guzman, but i would never compare him to floyd. Floyd by 28 had accomplished ten times more then guzman has up to this point right now. Skill wise, i think its just a case of fans of floyds style being high on it but yet on an older less known fighter and less than half the accomplishment of the original floyd. it will end as soon as he steps up his level of oppenent, unlike floyd.
The only fighters i picked against Pacquiao was Barrera and that was because i was being loyal fan, i even stated before the fight that i thought Pacquiao would win. And the other one was Marquez based on a bad style match up for Pacquiao and he did come very close to beating Pac and i had Marquez winning by 1 point. Like i already said to Pacstraightleft i don't dislike Pacquiao i like his style but i believe Guzman is a bad style match up for him, but so is Casamayor and so is Campbell. But i think Pacquiao beats every other Lightweight without hesistation except those 3 names which are pick em fights based on styles.
fair enough.
I don't consider guzman much of a threat, im more worried about casa's power/slickness and nates experience beating pac.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Julius Rain
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Nate has the power to turn this fight, no doubt Guzman will be backpeddling from the first bell. Soto gave Guzman problems when he cornered him, but his problem was he hardly ever cornered him. Nate has way better ring generalship than that, I'm sticking with Campbell. Guzman has only impressed me with his speed so far.
I thought he gave Soto a boxing lesson i only had Soto winning a couple of rounds, yes Soto did corner Guzman but that was few a far between. Even great fighters like
Mayweather and Jones got cornered from time to time, but Guzman still dominated most of the action against Soto.
yea but not by a guy like soto who had 5 defeats coming into that fight.
Soto is a good pressure fighter regardless of his record he is a good pressure fighter, like i said Jones got cornered in the past by Montel Griffin and an old Mike McCallum from time to time, and Mayweather got cornered by ODLH, Jose Luis Castillo. Now im not comparing those fighters to Soto but im just saying all great fighters do get cornered from time to time no matter how fast they are. But Guzman still did out box Soto for most of the fight and landed some nice counter's off the ropes.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Guzran is well skilled but can't hurt a fly.
if the hypes are true, the most to happen for guzman is he'll box pac and win a few rounds but eventually pacs power takes its toll on guzman and guzman gets ktfo ;D
For Casa though, pac and him can spark eachother out in a split second.
for nate, i know baby biatch juan diaz had pillow hands but nate may take pacs pounding and win enough rounds to escape a s.d.
those two are to worry about ;D
and ooh we still have jmm around, that guy just doesn't stay down. for what its worth. JMM wrecks guzman, he needs to be careful with casa though his got power.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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I thought he gave Soto a boxing lesson i only had Soto winning a couple of rounds, yes Soto did corner Guzman but that was few a far between. Even great fighters like Mayweather and Jones got cornered from time to time, but Guzman still dominated most of the action against Soto.
yea but not by a guy like soto who had 5 defeats coming into that fight.
Soto is a good pressure fighter regardless of his record he is a good pressure fighter, like i said Jones got cornered in the past by Montel Griffin and an old Mike McCallum from time to time, and Mayweather got cornered by ODLH, Jose Luis Castillo. Now im not comparing those fighters to Soto but im just saying all great fighters do get cornered from time to time no matter how fast they are. But Guzman still did out box Soto for most of the fight and landed some nice counter's off the ropes.
if pac and casa lands and im sure they will do you think guzman holds up?plus 12 rounds are long and how tall is guzman?
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Guzran is well skilled but can't hurt a fly.
if the hypes are true, the most to happen for guzman is he'll box pac and win a few rounds but eventually pacs power takes its toll on guzman and guzman gets ktfo ;D
For Casa though, pac and him can spark eachother out in a split second.
for nate, i know baby biatch juan diaz had pillow hands but nate may take pacs pounding and win enough rounds to escape a s.d.
those two are to worry about ;D
and ooh we still have jmm around, that guy just doesn't stay down. for what its worth. JMM wrecks guzman, he needs to be careful with casa though his got power.
Also when is the last time Pacquiao fought a good Southpaw ??
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
Most of the fight Soto came straight forward following Guzman lead, that shows his lack of skill IMO. Nate knows how to take the step to cut off the ring unlike Soto, if you watched that fight you know what I'm talking about.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Most of the fight Soto came straight forward following Guzman lead, that shows his lack of skill IMO. Nate knows how to take the step to cut off the ring unlike Soto, if you watched that fight you know what I'm talking about.
good point, yea im watching that fight again right now and some guzman highlights.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Most of the fight Soto came straight forward following Guzman lead, that shows his lack of skill IMO. Nate knows how to take the step to cut off the ring unlike Soto, if you watched that fight you know what I'm talking about.
good point, yea im watching that fight again right now and some guzman highlights.
alos guzman actually trades which is a horrible habbit if ever he fights guys like pac,casa and jmm. they can sting him in a split second and down goes guzshouldofrun.;D
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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Most of the fight Soto came straight forward following Guzman lead, that shows his lack of skill IMO. Nate knows how to take the step to cut off the ring unlike Soto, if you watched that fight you know what I'm talking about.
good point, yea im watching that fight again right now and some guzman highlights.
I think it was round 2 where they both went toe to toe.
Soto got frustrated and didn't have plan B with the remaining 10 rounds.
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
And before any of the Pac fans say it no it doesn't count when Morales fought the entire 12th round of there first fight in a Southpaw stance ;)
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
doode this is no floyd. you wont see floyd throw wide shot and trade stupidly in the middle of the ring.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IEmX4hKi5Y&feature=related
Re: Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"
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I never said he is exactly like Mayweather just something's he does remind of Mayweather.
