Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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Well to me Mosley looks more impressive as a lightweight.. He dominated a prime Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd had a close fight fight with the washed up version and some people thought he lost .
ODLH vs Mosley 1 was at Welterweight so i don't see the comparison ?? and ODLH vs Mosley 1 was hardly blow out i had Mosley winning by 3 rounds and i had Mayweather winning the ODLH fight by 3 rounds, and lets not forget Mosley's gift in the rematch which he should of lost.
Well many people thought Floyd was lucky to get the decision over a washed up De La Hoya but nobody disputes Mosley beat a prime oscar at welter .
I've only seen a very small percantage of people who thought ODLH won and thats probably because they didn't observe the fight properly because if you watch the fight closely Mayweather is the clear winner, Mosley vs ODLH 1 was more of a brawl and it was much more exciting so yes of course it was a better performance from Mosley, but remember Mayweather was moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before. Plus ODLH had 1 stone advantage over Mayweather so it was pretty impressive win for Mayweather taking all that into consideration, and like i said GAME its no secret that the 2nd ODLH vs Mosley fight was a gift for Mosley.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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ODLH vs Mosley 1 was at Welterweight so i don't see the comparison ?? and ODLH vs Mosley 1 was hardly blow out i had Mosley winning by 3 rounds and i had Mayweather winning the ODLH fight by 3 rounds, and lets not forget Mosley's gift in the rematch which he should of lost.
Well many people thought Floyd was lucky to get the decision over a washed up De La Hoya but nobody disputes Mosley beat a prime oscar at welter .
I've only seen
a very small percantage of people who thought ODLH won and thats probably because they didn't observe the fight properly because if you watch the fight closely Mayweather is the clear winner, Mosley vs ODLH 1 was more of a brawl and it was much more exciting so yes of course it was a better performance from Mosley, but remember Mayweather was moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before. Plus ODLH had 1 stone advantage over Mayweather so it was pretty impressive win for Mayweather taking all that into consideration, and like i said GAME its no secret that the 2nd ODLH vs Mosley fight was a gift for Mosley.
Well the people in the arena that night disagreed with the decision. The experts in the studio disagreed with the decision and when the media did a poll amoungst pundits in teh game alot went for Oscar . So I think that could be described as "split " Im not saying I saw it that way but alot of people did .
Any opinions are like assholes . Weve all gotta have one and thats mine .
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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Well many people thought Floyd was lucky to get the decision over a washed up De La Hoya but nobody disputes Mosley beat a prime oscar at welter .
I've only seen
a very small percantage of people who thought ODLH won and thats probably because they didn't observe the fight properly because if you watch the fight closely Mayweather is the clear winner, Mosley vs ODLH 1 was more of a brawl and it was much more exciting so yes of course it was a better performance from Mosley, but remember Mayweather was moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before. Plus ODLH had 1 stone advantage over Mayweather so it was pretty impressive win for Mayweather taking all that into consideration, and like i said GAME its no secret that the 2nd ODLH vs Mosley fight was a gift for Mosley.
Well the people in the arena that night disagreed with the decision. The experts in the studio disagreed with the decision and when the media did a poll amoungst pundits in teh game alot went for Oscar . So I think that could be described as "split " Im not saying I saw it that way but alot of people did .
Any opinions are like assholes . Weve all gotta have one and thats mine .
What experts in what studio thought that Oscar won?
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
I don't know. I think Mosley was more physically gifted than Mayweather and also a bigger guy, as he was a huge lightweight who'd weigh 150 in some of those fights on fight night.
Mosley had amazing speed and could crack, but was fighting relatively weak opposition at 135. On the other hand, Castillo gave Mayweather all he could handle in the first bout, but Mosley and Castillo don't really fight alike.
I think Mayweather's boxing skills, defense, and intelligence would give Mosley fits. Mosley's always been overrated in terms of boxing skills, because he's fast. So people think he's some sort of great pure boxer, but he isn't, and never was. He's a speedy slugger who was at his best in the exchanges, and winged a lot of shots. He too often threw a pawing jab and left himself open down the middle. I can see Mayweather catching him down the middle with his accurate straight right hand and superior jab.
I also think it helps for Mayweather's sake if it's a couple fights into 135. Mayweather filled out nicely into the weight classes he fought in pre-147. Mayweather talked about hand and shoulder injuries in the first Castillo fight. Maybe it's true, maybe not, fighters always talk about injuries after the fact that it's hard to know when to take them seriously. But it was a jump in weight for Mayweather against a bigger guy in Castillo. Maybe the Mayweather against Ndou was better since he had 3 previous fights to be more adjusted to being a lightweight.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
I was always very upset this fight never happened. Would of been one of the greatest ever.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
I believe we never saw the peak Mosley at lightweight.....I'd take him over Mayweather at lightweight on tight inside speed alone...
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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I am reall ynot sure , i always thought Mosley was unbeatable at LW , but for what Mayweather has gone on and achived im not so sure.
im gunna fence sit this one
DRAW 12 ;D
I immediately thought the same thing as soon as I read the title to the thread.
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Mayweather - far more convincingly than he ever would at 147
Mosley has always been the kind of fighter who likes to plant his feet and stand and trade with his opponent.
At 135 PBF would just dance a merry jig round him all night long.
At 147 i honestly believe SSM has it in him to give floyd big problems.
I think it would be the other way around.
At 147 I feel Floyd would beat Mosley, but I agree with you that Floyd would have problems with him. Floyd would win a close UD.
At 135 Mosley was a BEAST! Floyd would've sat back and pot shot Mosley. Unfortunately, Mosley's speed would prevent Floyd from doing that at will and he would throw more than enough punches to prevent Floyd from countering. Shane would win at 135 with a UD.
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I've only seen a very small percantage of people who thought ODLH won and thats probably because they didn't observe the fight properly because if you watch the fight closely Mayweather is the clear winner, Mosley vs ODLH 1 was more of a brawl and it was much more exciting so yes of course it was a better performance from Mosley, but remember Mayweather was moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before. Plus ODLH had 1 stone advantage over Mayweather so it was pretty impressive win for Mayweather taking all that into consideration, and like i said GAME its no secret that the 2nd ODLH vs Mosley fight was a gift for Mosley.
Well the people in the arena that night disagreed with the decision. The experts in the studio disagreed with the decision and when the media did a poll amoungst pundits in teh game alot went for Oscar . So I think that could be described as "split " Im not saying I saw it that way but alot of people did .
Any opinions are like assholes . Weve all gotta have one and thats mine .
What experts in what studio thought that Oscar won?
The only person I knew that had Oscar winning besides the one judge was my friend who worships the ground Oscar walks on! NO WAY did De La Hoya win the fight. I had him up by the 6th but after that point, Mayweather took over.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
This would have been a tremendous fight. Floyd is the better technical and defensive fighter. BUT...at 135 Shane was truly a monster. Shane was as fast, if not faster, than Floyd at that weight. And the power edge clearly goes to Mosley at that weight. As someone else has mentioned...Floyd would want to sit back, dance, and pot shot his way to a win. But Shane's tremendous speed and power at 135 would make that difficult. Sure, Floyd could use his superior jab and footwork to keep Shane at bay. But eventually....a fighter who possesses Shane's lightning fast speed and combos will get through...even against a great defense like Floyd's. And at 135...when Shane landed...fighters hit the canvas.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
Shane is a fighter I have always followed and supported unconditionally.
However, until recently I had only see most of his Lightweight fights once.
Upon rewatching his entire career its easy to lose appreciation of how good he was at lightweight when one sees his sucess at Welter and to a lesser extent Light Midleweight.
At Lightweight Shane was a dynamo, an endless source of energy that fired with power and aggression for as long as was necesary, along with great movement.
In his prime at Lightweight he can beat Mayweather.
At Lightweight Shane deserved the Sugar moniker.
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I believe we never saw the peak Mosley at lightweight.....I'd take him over Mayweather at lightweight on tight inside speed alone...
...that's a scary thought.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
Mayweather. Mosley at LW had either equal or greater speed and Mayweather has shown he knows how to deal with a faster fighter. PBF was the epitome of composure while Mosley was frustratable as evidenced in both Wright fights and the 2nd Forrest fight. There wouldn't be a KO considering both fighters also had phenomenal chins, but i see Mayweather taking less damage and doing a little more to get the win.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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Mayweather. Mosley at LW had either equal or greater speed and Mayweather has shown he knows how to deal with a faster fighter. PBF was the epitome of composure while Mosley was frustratable as evidenced in both Wright fights and the 2nd Forrest fight. There wouldn't be a KO considering both fighters also had phenomenal chins, but i see Mayweather taking less damage and doing a little more to get the win.
I'm not picking your post apart man, but the Wright and Forrest fights were at 147 and 154 if I'm not mistaken.
I feel in those fights he was frustrated by the lack of effect his power boxing had. At lightweight he just powered on.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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Mayweather. Mosley at LW had either equal or greater speed and Mayweather has shown he knows how to deal with a faster fighter. PBF was the epitome of composure while Mosley was frustratable as evidenced in both Wright fights and the 2nd Forrest fight. There wouldn't be a KO considering both fighters also had phenomenal chins, but i see Mayweather taking less damage and doing a little more to get the win.
I'm not picking your post apart man, but the Wright and Forrest fights were at 147 and 154 if I'm not mistaken.
I feel in those fights he was frustrated by the lack of effect his power boxing had. At lightweight he just powered on.
Exactly. He fought Winky at 154...a weight where Shane had no power, not great speed, and was much naturally smaller than Wright. He fought Forrest at 147...where again...he wasn't at his best speed. And i always just thought Vernon had the style, height and length to give Shane fits. The higher in weight Shane went, the less effective he was with his power, combos, and even speed. Again, Floyd is the better technical fighter...but at LIGHTWEIGHT...Shane was a physical force.
Re: Mayweather vs Mosley at Lightweight
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Mayweather. Mosley at LW had either equal or greater speed and Mayweather has shown he knows how to deal with a faster fighter. PBF was the epitome of composure while Mosley was frustratable as evidenced in both Wright fights and the 2nd Forrest fight. There wouldn't be a KO considering both fighters also had phenomenal chins, but i see Mayweather taking less damage and doing a little more to get the win.
I'm not picking your post apart man, but the Wright and Forrest fights were at 147 and 154 if I'm not mistaken.
I feel in those fights he was frustrated by the lack of effect his power boxing had. At lightweight he just powered on.
Yes but they are also some of the first people who actually tried to outbox Shane aside from Oscar who was successful early in the fight with Shane.
Shane was good at adapting, and he was a monster at lightweight but he wasn't invulnerable, he had flaws as the Holiday fight showed, its more there wasnt really anyone at lightweight to challenge him but thats not his fault.
But I don't think it would be an easy fight either way. The thing is Shane's style never changed, so I have no problem saying that if even Forrest was a lightweight he would have beaten shane the same way.
