I thought you would of mentioned your boy Tyson BIG H, but Ricardo Lopez is probably top 5 the most skillful and the most complete package i've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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I thought you would of mentioned your boy Tyson BIG H, but Ricardo Lopez is probably top 5 the most skillful and the most complete package i've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Ray Robinson had the lot. Ali - you could argue struggled to fight on the inside.
Ray Leonard was almost on the list but I decided to keep him off the list because he was a little to poor at giving rematches - I marked him down under desire for that.
Nah, Tyson was a wrecking machine, he did have a lot of tools, but also lacked a lot. He still beats Lewis Prime for Prime though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI thought you would of mentioned your boy Tyson BIG H, but Ricardo Lopez is probably top 5 the most skillful and the most complete package i've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Game on ;D
You're right about Finito Ice
Hhhmmmm could be but I see it more as his strategy. You have guys just throwing punches and getting tired while he just slips away from them and walks out of the ropes without a drop of sweat. Always comes out clean from his fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBProbably the only one is that he sometimes lay's on the ropes a bit too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
It didn't work against Castillo though thats why in the rematch he stayed off the ropes at all times, just circling the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoHhhmmmm could be but I see it more as his strategy. You have guys just throwing punches and getting tired while he just slips away from them and walks out of the ropes without a drop of sweat. Always comes out clean from his fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBProbably the only one is that he sometimes lay's on the ropes a bit too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
I've often said 2 of the most complete fighters that my eyes have ever seen are:
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
I would also include:
SRR
PBF
Duran
Ive often wondered about Tyson. Its funny that Cus always worked on the mind with his Fighters and yet, all his Fighters were emotionaly weak. including Torres and Patterson strange.
I wouldn't list Mike Tyson on here.
When I think of complete fighters, I think of guys who can fight at all ranges, who can box on the move or be aggressive, and use different styles if necessary. Tyson had a nice heavy jab for his size, but it wasn't like he was going to win a fight on the inside. He had to do his damage at mid-range or when he was coming inside. He was also prone to laziness on the inside.
Marvin Hagler is someone I think of when describing a "complete" fighter. He boxed well and used the ring well. He could apply pressure very well. He could fight on the inside. He had solid defense with his parrying. He wasn't blazing fast, but had pretty respectable speed, and heavy hands as well. He could take shots well.
Floyd Mayweather's not the biggest puncher, but he has respectable power. He's fast, smart, can box on the move, fight on the inside, apply pressure when he needs to, attack the body, defend, etc...I'd consider him a pretty complete fighter.
Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Bernard Hopkins....all in their primes I'd call them complete fighters.
Now you said going by "ALL" the attributes, I would say a Prime Tyson , Ike Ibeabuchi , Arron Pryor and Manny Pacquioa
Hagler wasnt good with movers,I remember He struggled with Kevin Finnigan twice it was Finnigan getting cut late that saved him. The first time good Judges had Kevin in front hence the second Fight.
Yea i've heard about those fights but did Hagler win the 2nd fight in more impressive fashion Scrap ?? because Hagler always seemed to do better in rematches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Vernon Forrest in his peak was one hell of a Fighter... Just fought the wrong fight against Mayorga
Not really, just that Kevin got cut earlier. I loved Marvin as a fighter and a man Lovely guy, but believe He would have struggled with the likes of Monzon, Styles.
Well he once told Tyson to watch out for people, and that he was not sophisticated enough to deal with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
That being said, I doubt that helped him out any