Wladimir Klitschko V David Haye Vote who would win

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Wlad has been constantly improving since his glass chin days (Sanders, Brewster), guys. He's determined to continue improving and becoming one of the greatest HWs of this generation. Save for his ridiculous pawing at Sultan for 12 rounds, his last few showings have been pretty damn good.

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I agree with this but the question marks remain over the quality of his opponents for me!

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Well.. it's not really his fault that there's not much available in terms of quality opponents in the HW division nowadays. I do like that Wlad hasn't ducked anyone. And I also like the fact that Wlad himself realizes he's a work in progress, and hasn't let the ease of his latest victories get to his head.

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Good point!

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Wlad has been constantly improving since his glass chin days (Sanders, Brewster), guys. He's determined to continue improving and becoming one of the greatest HWs of this generation. Save for his ridiculous pawing at Sultan for 12 rounds, his last few showings have been pretty damn good.

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Wlad needs Haye to cement any kind of legacy he has no comp they are either too big or not skilled.

Wlad better pray that Haye or Solis dont lose as they hold the key for him historically.

Ive cooled on Povetkin he is very skelled but fights face first and has little power.

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I agree with this, and would add that Wlad needs for some of the yet unknown HW prospects out there to come up soon, because given Wlad's list of victims thus far, any claim to being an ATG in the division would fall far short.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Wlad has been constantly improving since his glass chin days (Sanders, Brewster), guys. He's determined to continue improving and becoming one of the greatest HWs of this generation. Save for his ridiculous pawing at Sultan for 12 rounds, his last few showings have been pretty damn good.

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Wlad needs Haye to cement any kind of legacy he has no comp they are either too big or not skilled.

Wlad better pray that Haye or Solis dont lose as they hold the key for him historically.

Ive cooled on Povetkin he is very skelled but fights face first and has little power.

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Again I totally agree although I think that Solis is still a bit unproven. That said I heard that if the Jones-Calzaghe fight goes ahead he could be fighting Oliver Mccall on the undercard which should be a bit of a better test for him.

wlad would win this one! :p

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Remember a lot of the guys at heavy are fat Cruserweights.

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.....Wladimir most certainly is not one of those guys



I am hoping Haye does well because the division needs somebody.....Arreola and Witherspoon are disappointing, Malik Scott was never good and has apparently not scheduled a fight yet this year, Povetkin is not as technically good as you would think a Russian fighter would be, Chambers is great defensively but is not good when it comes to stamina, and Dimitrenko ...who knows what that guy is going to bring to the division

I think that Wald while knock him out to much size for him.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Remember a lot of the guys at heavy are fat Cruserweights.

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.....Wladimir most certainly is not one of those guys



I am hoping Haye does well because the division needs somebody.....Arreola and Witherspoon are disappointing, Malik Scott was never good and has apparently not scheduled a fight yet this year, Povetkin is not as technically good as you would think a Russian fighter would be, Chambers is great defensively but is not good when it comes to stamina, and Dimitrenko ...who knows what that guy is going to bring to the division

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I would actually like to see Haye in with arreola. I don't think that arreolas got anymore than a punchers chance but it would be a good start for Haye at heavyweight and if he does get caught a couple of times it would give us a good idea as to how he would handle a heavyweights shot.

Can't really add much more to the thread, but agree that at this point is not worth voting on as Haye is not there.

I do like him as a fighter and do hope he can prove himself at HW in a few matches with decisive wins...and have that lead up to a great HW fight against Wlad. It is something this division has needed for a long time I believe.

But was a bit early for Haye to be asking for the fight...and I think he now realizes this. Those kinda far off wonderings and wishes are best left to us the fans, until such time as he earns the right.

Wlad by my reckoning. We know what Wlad is capable of but Haye is as yet relatively untested at heavyweight. I would need to see Haye beat a couple of top 10 ranked heavyweights before I even consider giving him a shot of beating Wlad.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Remember a lot of the guys at heavy are fat Cruserweights.

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.....Wladimir most certainly is not one of those guys



I am hoping Haye does well because the division needs somebody.....Arreola and Witherspoon are disappointing, Malik Scott was never good and has apparently not scheduled a fight yet this year, Povetkin is not as technically good as you would think a Russian fighter would be, Chambers is great defensively but is not good when it comes to stamina, and Dimitrenko ...who knows what that guy is going to bring to the division

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Wlad aside and a couple of giants id say 80% of the top heavyweights could make Cruserweight pretty easy, Chagaev, Ibragamov, Povetkin are all fat Cruserweights.

Dont think hayes a smart enough fighter yet to beat klitschko.

Similar power to Wlad but definetely not the same level of ring smarts that i suspect would see klitschko dominate with the jab until he is in a position to take haye out.

Wlad is baa aad!

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Dont think hayes a smart enough fighter yet to beat klitschko.

Similar power to Wlad but definetely not the same level of ring smarts that i suspect would see klitschko dominate with the jab until he is in a position to take haye out.

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So far no SMART fighter has beaten Wlad....Wlad has either beaten himself (Brewster and Purrity) or just made it hard on himself to win by giving up his natural size and reach advantages (Sanders).

David Haye is going to have to be technically solid and well I hate to say it but he's going to have to have a horseshoe up his ass to have a shot vs Wlad because in order for Haye to catch Wlad (who has really improved his defense) he's going to have to get past Wlad's 1-2, keep his hands free as Wlad will either try to tie him up or push him off, and then be able to land cleanly....it's a tall order for Haye who is still quite flawed as a fighter.

I would like to see Haye fight Ray Austin first...Ray isn't a great fighter but he's tall and he's done well in the division or Larry Donald a tall athletic fighter who is very difficult to KO....it took Vitali 10 rounds to get to him and Povetkin couldn't stop him either....maybe a fight vs Dimitrenko would be beneficial as well as Dimitrenko is tall doesn't have great power but is a very good boxer and is trained by Fritz Sdunek Wlad's old trainer so he probably fights in a similar manner to Wlad which would tell us a little bit about Haye and his ability to cope with a good 1-2

So has anybody changed their minds after last night then?

Haye wins easily and shows anybody deluded enough to think Klitschko is a good fighter just how rubbish the heavyweight division is.