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I don't see how Mayweather done more damage on Castillo he mostly only landed jabs, the only time he actually stood and traded and done damage on Castillo was in the 11th round, and even in that round he was out punched. I thought Castillo won by 1 point but Lederman's scorecard of Castillo winning by 4 points was ridiculous, but in my mind Mayweather didn't do enough to take the champions title away from him and this is a Mayweather fan talking here. I know Mayweather had a shoulder injury and he won 2nd fight convincing but i still think Mayweather should have 1 loss on his record.
Castillo wasnt half as effective in those middle/late rounds as they were making out, sure he was the busier fighter and hurt floyd on a few occasions. But they gave like 7 of those last 8 rounds to JLC when floyd had taken at least 3 of them.
Another instance of lederman judging with his heart and not his head was the marq-barrera fight.
Everyone could clearly see marquez was winning the fight with ease accept for harold who was scoring every single close round to MAB.
I gave all but 2 rounds to JMM and was relieved as fuck when the judges also saw it that way as i was briefly beggining to think i was going mad
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I thought Barrera vs Marquez was a very close fight personally and theres no way on earth Marquez won 10 rounds out of 12, and i just can't see how you could have Mayweather winning 3 rounds after the 5th round, i would be curious what rounds you gave Mayweather after the 5th round.
Dont remember
Am quite sure i gave the last 2 rounds to PBF, and had it 114-112 for mayweather.
Watch the barrera-marquez fight without the commentary on and you`ll see exactly what i mean. Judges tend to give sympathy points out for fighters who are doing just not quite enough to win rounds in succession.
But if you scored every round in terms of scoring shots and dominating a fight you would have to say marq won the fight with some ease.
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Mayweather is right, But I dont think it is a boxing problem, I think it is a society problem. Black fighter dont sell to those who bring the money to the sport. For what reason, It could be jealousy, people just tired of black fighters, A look for a great Non black HOPE. I see that in a fighter like Paul Williams. For some reason I dont think he is liked much in the mix of the WW division because he is a threat to the non black hopes. When Campbell beat Diaz was bad for the sport. I just think SOME Black athletes rub some people the wrong way with the arrogent attitudes. Sports is also a testimony to manhood and jealousy plays a big part. Let the man speak his peace because we live in the most ARROGENT country in the world.(USA) He is a product of his envornment. Most arrogent president,fighters, country in general. Hipocrits rule the Media, airways and all forms of this society. When 2 people of different colors do the same thing it is looked at differently. Solution is to be FAIR across the board. If u hate black arrogents but love other arrogents and see that as pride then the problem still remains. DONT BE HIPOCRITS.
I don't agree with this for the most part. Not that I think racism is dead and buried or anything, I'm sure it has a role to play in boxing as in any other facet of life, but I think most boxing fans (Royal aside) are fairly impartial when it comes to race. Nationalism runs rampant in boxing, but race seems to play a much lesser role, in my experience at least.
Many of the most popular boxers have been black, so being a racist boxing fan would be a tough road. A fighter doesn't have to be well-liked to have drawing power either, look how many people watched Ali hoping that he'd get beat, despite his popularity with the younger generation of boxing fans at the time. George Foreman, also black, has gone from a villainous bastard to one of the most beloved American fighters, much like Ali. Joe Louis is revered as well, and he competed in a time of rampant racial bias.
Another example would be Kelly Pavlik, he may be covered in hype these days, but that is more due to his exciting style and his willingness to fight anyone than him being white. Prior to the Miranda fight, few people outside of Youngstown though he had a prayer, and Miranda was by far the more popular fighter coming into that match, regardless of skin color. Following that brilliant performance by Pavlik, the hype machine began to roll, but before that he was just some overrated bald dude with a padded record in the eyes of many.
Campbell beating Diaz was bad for boxing (even though I loved watching it) because an aging veteran with little drawing power beat a young up-and-comer with a fairly large following and a great deal of hype. I also think any arrogant athelete rubs people the wrong way, regardless of color. I dislike guys like Roger Clemens or Kurt Schilling much more than I do Kobe Bryant (though I don't much like him either). People dislike most athletes who lack humility.
Re: Mayweather Jr Blast HBO
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Castillo wasnt half as effective in those middle/late rounds as they were making out, sure he was the busier fighter and hurt floyd on a few occasions. But they gave like 7 of those last 8 rounds to JLC when floyd had taken at least 3 of them.
Another instance of lederman judging with his heart and not his head was the marq-barrera fight.
Everyone could clearly see marquez was winning the fight with ease accept for harold who was scoring every single close round to MAB.
I gave all but 2 rounds to JMM and was relieved as fuck when the judges also saw it that way as i was briefly beggining to think i was going mad
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I thought Barrera vs Marquez was a very close fight personally and theres no way on earth Marquez won 10 rounds out of 12, and i just can't see how you could have Mayweather winning 3 rounds after the 5th round, i would be curious what rounds you gave Mayweather after the 5th round.
Dont remember
Am quite sure i gave the last 2 rounds to PBF, and had it 114-112 for mayweather.
Watch the barrera-marquez fight without the commentary on and you`ll see exactly what i mean. Judges tend to give sympathy points out for fighters who are doing just not quite enough to win rounds in succession.
But if you scored every round in terms of scoring shots and dominating a fight you would have to say marq won the fight with some ease.
Must admit I thought that the Barrera - Marquez fight was much closer than a 10 round to 2 round beating. I also think that Jay Nady made one of his biggest mistakes ever in this fight (and thats saying something). When Barrera floored JMM he didn't call the knockdown and deducted Barrera a point for hitting him while he was down!???????????? Now this turned a 10-8 for MAB into a 10-8 for JMM which could have changed the fight in a big way. I agree that Mayweather won a close fight with Castillo though and I think ODLH came closer to beating Mayweather than Castillo IMO.
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Well Floyd Mayweather Jr. is angry because no one really gave a fuck that he retired....we're just disappointed we didn't get to see Cotto, Williams, or Margarito fight him because he's a chicken shit.
HBO isn't racist....Floyd is just a prick....which is why no one talks about him in the manner people talk about Pacquiao who is a nice humble guy willing to fight anyone, Kelly Pavlik a nice humble guy willing to fight anyone, Wladimir a nice humble guy willing to fight anyone, or Miguel Cotto a nice humble guy willing to fight anyone.....if you just take the racial aspect out of the equation can't you see a different pattern??? Humility and the willingness to give the fans what they want and when you don't provide it you try harder next time....whereas Floyd is "Money May" he didn't want to EARN his star status with the fans he just wanted to take the path of least resistance....never unifying....never fighting the best in all his divisions....always looking for ways to help himself have an easier time with opponents....fans know Floyd is a spectacular athlete and a gifted boxer but he's not a fighter....he's not a guy who is out to give the fans what they want to see, he's "Money Mayweather".....money can't buy you class and it can't buy you acceptance when the name of the game is boxing
Floyd Mayweather can FUCK OFF....he's very talented but there's a LARGE group of fighters that he left in his wake without giving them their deserved shots! And every true boxing fan knows that!
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Well Floyd Mayweather Jr. is angry because no one really gave a fuck that he retired
That's all it is, he only gets a mention in the papers/news when he is fighting a well known fighter. Must be in shock that he just ain't popular on his own. He should carry on playfighting with fat wrestlers if he wants attention.
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WIth as much money and fame as these so called racist white folk have given you......for the time that you're supposidly retired shut the fuck up, this is just as irritatating as listening to the obama's bitch about a country that has made them rich and kept them away from us so called voting common folk you act like you care about. Ooops changing subjects sorry, i love floyd but damn spend you money find something else to do besides complain about anything. There are people out there really getting screwed over in life just because of thier race or place in life......and it aint just black folk. The main color in the U.S. is green. You have it you're livin good, you don't it doesn't matter what color you are...
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Too true Mar....I'm sure if Floyd looked deep within himself he would understand that IF HBO was dissing him it's not because his skin color.....it's more than likely the various personality flaws he has ie being the biggest most visable star in boxing while also taking the time to be a huge cunt much to the dismay of anyone and everyone associated with boxing
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I think by "black fighters" he means himself.
Still, after reading his words I thought back to my P4P list and realized there were no black fighters listed on it. I excluded Hopkins for Abraham.
Is that just way the cookie crumbled or was I being "choosey?" I think that is a legit question to ask myself.
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I think by "black fighters" he means himself.
Still, after reading his words I thought back to my P4P list and realized there were no black fighters listed on it. I excluded Hopkins for Abraham.
Is that just way the cookie crumbled or was I being "choosey?" I think that is a legit question to ask myself.
RACIST!
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I think he should come out of retirement and fight Cotto. If he doesn't he should just go away. He's another guy that blames his problems on everyone else but the reflection he sees in the mirror. By the way, who was the Canadian guy talking about how awful we folks in the US are and using the word "we"? Last time I checked Canada was not part of the US.
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It's not about race:
COTTO, MARGARITO, BERTO and WILLIAMS would whoop his ass bigtime.
Are you fucking kidding me? Also people are saying Mayweather was afraid to fight Cotto, I love Cotto, but where is he calling out the champion of the division who was also the #1 p4p?
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Certainly sounds like Mayweather is already missing the attention huh ?I have no doubt that he will "Un-retired" down the road.He is as sharp a calculating self promoting opportunist as he is a defensive master.
Look,you can not deny Mayweathers in the ring ability,technical skills..blah,blah whatever.That being said,once again he comes off sounding like an overfed whiney brat in need of a diaper change.Remember his pity-party about "Slave wages" etc.When He falls back on this tired mantra,he really does an injustice to the ignorant B.S and racism still with us in the real world.
He sounds jealous and is craving the spotlight,what a drama queen!!
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Anytime you accuse someone of being racist whether it's subconscious or not you have a big problem on your hands.
I do think that HBO has been a bit to critical of Floyd in recent years. They poured on the guy for fighting careful against Baldomir but Wlad did the same thing and they seemed to be much more understanding. Is that racist? I don't know, I really doubt it. It's really hard for anyone in the world of boxing to be racist. Golf, tennis yeah there are definitely pockets of racism that really can't be denied. Boxing? I don't see how anybody that mainstream could be racist even subconsciously, it's to diverse of a sport you would be shooting your own foot.
That being said, if what he said about them making him accept a plea agreement when he caught that case then that is dead wrong and if that is true and his hand was forced then I really can't feel sorry for HBO as that is just not right. I remember the build up to that one and much was made of Mayweather's legal troubles by HBO and by Gatti and Floyd countered with Gatti's troubles with alcohol and everyone claimed Mayweather had hit below the belt. If that is true though then I wouldn't blame Floyd for blasting HBO.
Do I think they are racist? No that's just not likely. For Mayweather to be the first guy to expose racists who have been on the air for 20 years just isn't likely. He's not the first black guy with legal troubles to walk through their doors.
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It's not about race:
COTTO, MARGARITO, BERTO and WILLIAMS would whoop his ass big time.
Are you fucking kidding me? Also people are saying Mayweather was afraid to fight Cotto, I love Cotto, but where is he calling out the champion of the division who was also the #1 p4p?
Hey Teath , for what Cotto will going calling out Floyd , if Floyd doesn't want fight with him , that's why Cotto never calling him out , few times ago Cotto been saying that he wont lose more of his time to calling anybody , IMO Floyd made a real big mistake to take decision to retire for then to return back , so if he return back to me for look good he will have to calling out Cotto or Margaro..................:-\
And for this thing about racist , this is a BS...........:-\
He was the first who started that sh....t , what is that thing " Slave Contract "...................Who said that was him ............
Yeah him , Is sad to hear this sh.....t , on this Times , You don't think that he probably have a " Inferiority Complex " , he been saying in other journals , that he felt bad because most of the time he heard that HBO always been praise to Pavlik , Pacquiao and others , but not to him because he is black ..................cmon , i know that everybody have their differences , but what , he now want make more money without work ? , why he didn't say this when he began with HBO ? , mann...... this comments could give publicity , but makes him look bad as individual.....:-\
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All Mayweather does is bite the hands that feed. He wouldnt be "Money" Mayweather if it wasnt for HBO, and he probably never would have been champion if it wasnt for his father, he may not have became a fighter at all. He hurt his own career by constantly poining his finger at everyone around him...and he still made millions despite his lack of likeability and charisma. The fact is boxing is fine without Floyd Mayweather. Talented fighter, no question. Does boxing need him, abolutely not.
