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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Always used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Yuriorkis Gamboa will be a huge superstar. Give him two years;)
Lol - am I cuban now ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerAlways used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Cubans cannot turn professional m8
They are not allowed, the only Cubans who turn professional are those who are illegals and seek immunity after (Escaping), such a shame those guys would have really lifted pro boxing, would love to have seen Savon taking on the heavyweights, he KO'd Shannon Briggs and David Tua among others in the amateurs which didn't happen at all with Tua in the pros and not Shannon was pretty tough too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerAlways used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by BIG HLol - am I cuban now ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerAlways used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Cubans cannot turn professional m8
Unless they defect, ala Casamayor and Gamboa.
Did that clown Yanqui Diaz defect? Or is he just Cuban by nationality, but an American citizen?
Are they still allowed to represent cuba as a nation despite being an american citizen??Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HLol - am I cuban now ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Cubans cannot turn professional m8
Unless they defect, ala Casamayor and Gamboa.
Did that clown Yanqui Diaz defect? Or is he just Cuban by nationality, but an American citizen?
Ive never once heard of joel casamayor classed as an american??
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerAre they still allowed to represent cuba as a nation despite being an american citizen??Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Unless they defect, ala Casamayor and Gamboa.
Did that clown Yanqui Diaz defect? Or is he just Cuban by nationality, but an American citizen?
Ive never once heard of joel casamayor classed as an american??
Honestly, I'm not sure how that would work.
His last fight was on Showtime. Calzaghe doesn't want no part yet he fights the ultimate duo in Peter Manfredo and Sakio Bika. Denis Inkin blatantly ducked him twice and made bullshit injury excuses. JT would rather face a shot to fuck Jeff Lacy instead. No one will fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbtandyHe will get his shot, the reason no one will fight him is because he hasn't got a decent name for himself, PPV etc are not interested, there is no money in fighting Froch, and he has had injury problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
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Originally Posted by leftyleeHis last fight was on Showtime. Calzaghe doesn't want no part yet he fights the ultimate duo in Peter Manfredo and Sakio Bika. Denis Inkin blatantly ducked him twice and made bullshit injury excuses. JT would rather face a shot to fuck Jeff Lacy instead. No one will fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbtandyHe will get his shot, the reason no one will fight him is because he hasn't got a decent name for himself, PPV etc are not interested, there is no money in fighting Froch, and he has had injury problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Since then he's fought Kessler and Hopkins and is slated to fight RJJ next. Those are/were much bigger fights. He might have made even more money for Manfredo than he would have gotten for Froch. Perhaps he should have taken a fight with Froch instead of Bika, but it's almost too late for a Froch fight now. Joe's a big earner these days.
The person who keeps coming to mind is David Tua. I don't think any heavyweight had to go through as much B.S. about fight's then him.
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I believe this was the fight were Tua lost.
I meant boxer like Baldomir,who didn't get their big payday...but fought their whole life...Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbtandyBaldomir got big fights he won a title and made a decent amount of money thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
To be clear though, sometimes these fighters are not willing to meet half way and they spent most of the time fighting once a year waiting for the right opponent/money. Then they cry wolf that no one wants to fight them. Then you also have management/promoters who also are content with the fighters making them good money fighting the same type of fighters and making money off the name that they build locally.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbtandy
I mean Chris John doesn't want to leave his backyard. JMM had to take his ass over there due to bad management also. ;) So you see it's a mixture of several things.
David Tua, the opp. were there for him yrs. ago and he just never applied himself. Got careless and out of shape I think he just deflated after the Lennox lost cause after that he lost to Byrd, then he tried to rebuild and got a Draw with Hasim and after that yrs. had passed by and it wasn't the same. Inactivity.
I agree Mick most of these guys have themselves to blame. John included. Not all of them but a lot. Ruiz is a shit fighter and if he didn't give a certain amount of his purse to the sanctioning bodies he would never have sniffed more then a single title shot. I would consider him lucky to have had as many opportunities as he's had.
Clottey didn't lose because of his hand. May have contributed but he lost to the better fighter, that is one of the most overblown excuses in a single fight I have ever heard.
Martinez as far as I know has never signed with a promoter in his career. Given him a lot more keep and made him more financially secure but consequently has never had that big shot. He does deserve it though but if you want to work without a promoter you have to have a bigger name then his.
Winky Wright is unlucky but will still be remembered as great, no doubt. But for all intensive purposes he should be a 3 weight Ring Magazine champion imo. But he's made plenty of money and has been living the good life for quite a while since his globetrotting days.
I love Glen Johnson, but he knew the risks each time he stepped in another fighter's backyard. Much less after 2,3,4 or 5 robberies. He's got like 8 on his record. He knows the deal but he's a good guy and represents everything right about boxing in a way.
Sometimes I wonder when I read your posts how much boxing you've actually seen and how much you currently see.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
You mean to tell me that you think that both JMM & Rafa are NOT 2 of the greatest fighters of this generation?
The 1st brother duo to be Top 10 P4P and the..... You know what?
Before I waste any time and text here. I'd would really like to read you supporting facts to this and why you feel that neither guy is a great fighter. Whenever your ready I'm all :ears:
Heres both guys records so you don't have to go to BoxRec and look them up. Let me know if you need to see any one of their fights and I'll gladly up load them for you. ;)
JMM: Juan Manuel Marquez
Rafa: Rafael Marquez
Joel Casamayor. He's been robbed of 4 wins in his career.
This is true, with those 4 wins he would undoubtedly be remembered as one of the greatest of the generaton but sadly not sure that is going to be the case especially if he loses a cashout bout to Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise