Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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Paul's first dozen fights were at Jr Middleweight and Middleweight.
He moved down in weight to fight the smaller guys.
Must have been a reason for that ;)
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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True, but I'd rather see Pavlik fight a big-name welter than a no-name middleweight. I'd rather see Paul Williams get a shot than another Gary Lockett.
There has to be someone in the top 15 MW's who is more deserving of this fight. I know they want a gimme to set up Pavlik-Abraham (at least I hope that's what they're doing), but Pavlik just had a gimme fight in Lockett. Williams has never ever fought at LMW, let alone MW, and he's done nothing to deserve a shot at Pavlik. The fight has little credibility and no competitive aspect to it, Pavlik will steamroll Williams.
Jermaine Taylor was raked over the coals when he fought Ouma and Spinks, and that was after a series of fights against much better opposition than Pavlik has faced, I hope Pavlik gets that same treatment.
Middleweight is not a deep division right now. Besides Abraham, name a middlweight who would create the buzz that a Williams fight will create.
Winky Wright.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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There has to be someone in the top 15 MW's who is more deserving of this fight. I know they want a gimme to set up Pavlik-Abraham (at least I hope that's what they're doing), but Pavlik just had a gimme fight in Lockett. Williams has never ever fought at LMW, let alone MW, and he's done nothing to deserve a shot at Pavlik. The fight has little credibility and no competitive aspect to it, Pavlik will steamroll Williams.
Jermaine Taylor was raked over the coals when he fought Ouma and Spinks, and that was after a series of fights against much better opposition than Pavlik has faced, I hope Pavlik gets that same treatment.
Middleweight is not a deep division right now. Besides Abraham, name a middlweight who would create the buzz that a Williams fight will create.
Winky Wright.
And he already priced himself out.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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SweetPea
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Middleweight is not a deep division right now. Besides Abraham, name a middlweight who would create the buzz that a Williams fight will create.
Winky Wright.
And he already priced himself out.
Link?
What about Strum!!
Arum knows he steps Pavlik up he loses and in a bad way.
I hate warrren but he is 100% right that Arum knows this big bum is so limited he would never fight anyone legit at 168lbs and get ultra bum after the Taylor re-match.
Imagine if Mayweather did this imagine the crap he would get i think this big bum is worse.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
Stupid fight. Williams will get smoked by a big middleweight puncher like Pavlik. Why the hell is Pavlik wanting to fight a welterweight when he can probably beat anyone in the world at 168? I guess its 2 good names and there will be some money there, but this is a silly fight to me.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
Why dont Arum put old 1,2 big bum in with a legit ranked 168lb fighter, both Arum and 1,2 have stated that if they dont clear 160lb out they will move to SMW in a year.
A guy that would be naturally bigger than 95% of everyone at 175lb is fighting a guy 1-1 in his last two fights at 147lbs! what a crock!
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
It's a decent name, and considering Pavlik is living up to the promise of being an active champion we should give him the benefit of the doubt, especially if they really do have Abraham lined up before christmas as well, then he'd have fought his two biggest rivals at the weight within 12 months, thrown in together with a good welterweight and a,.........um........(well there is no defence for the Lockett fight, but he could have fought no one and fight every 6 months like most champions do.)
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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SweetPea
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Middleweight is not a deep division right now. Besides Abraham, name a middlweight who would create the buzz that a Williams fight will create.
Winky Wright.
And he already priced himself out.
Not that I necessarily disbelieve him, but this is according to Bob Arum, the same Bob Arum famous for the quote, "Yesterday when I spoke to you I was lying, today I am telling the truth..."
A few weeks ago he was saying the same thing about Williams as well, apparently Williams was demanding 2.5M...
Winky himself has gone on record saying he's not pricing himself out, that he's willing to fight Pavlik in his backyard for a relatively small amount of money.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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Why dont Arum put old 1,2 big bum in with a legit ranked 168lb fighter, both Arum and 1,2 have stated that if they dont clear 160lb out they will move to SMW in a year.
A guy that would be naturally bigger than 95% of everyone at 175lb is fighting a guy 1-1 in his last two fights at 147lbs! what a crock!
I just neg repped for ass for calling Pavlik a bum multiple times in your last few posts here. Calling any fighter a bum, is a baaaad thing.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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Why dont Arum put old 1,2 big bum in with a legit ranked 168lb fighter, both Arum and 1,2 have stated that if they dont clear 160lb out they will move to SMW in a year.
A guy that would be naturally bigger than 95% of everyone at 175lb is fighting a guy 1-1 in his last two fights at 147lbs! what a crock!
Pavlik is not a bum. His promoter might be scheduling relatively easy fights for him in an attempt to raise his profile, but he's not a bum. I'd pick him against almost anyone between 160-175.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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Why dont Arum put old 1,2 big bum in with a legit ranked 168lb fighter, both Arum and 1,2 have stated that if they dont clear 160lb out they will move to SMW in a year.
A guy that would be naturally bigger than 95% of everyone at 175lb is fighting a guy 1-1 in his last two fights at 147lbs! what a crock!
I just neg repped for ass for calling Pavlik a bum multiple times in your last few posts here. Calling any fighter a bum, is a baaaad thing.
Make that two.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
To me this fight is a joke. Pavlik needs to fight someone like Winky or Abraham. I know winky priced himself out and Abraham has to fight his mandatory next but come on a middle wieght fighting a welter just a joke.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
To tell the truth, this may not be as bad of a match-up as some are thinking. Look at Paul Williams- he does not belong at WW. I thought the primary reason for him losing to Quintana was being too weight drained going into that fight. He must have been on his diet to a T to come back and dominate like he did. That being said, if this fight happens you will never see Williams at WW again. I'm surprised he's leapfrogging JMW but there aren't any big names there he could get a match with (Oscar probably wants no part) but he was probably going to wind up a MW at some point in his career. If you look at their stats they match up pretty closely. Kelly is 1.5 inches taller, but Paul's arms are 7 inches longer. Williams only has one more fight, so experience-wise they are the same. I think Kelly wins in the long run simply because his chin is more tested. Paul hasn't been tested the same. Who knows, maybe Williams has an even sturdier chin and his power will carry up 2 divisions. He may be able to put the finishing touch on that Jermain Taylor couldn't.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out. :rolleyes:
I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.
Re: Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27
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Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out. :rolleyes:
I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.
I would rather him fight Winky also. Not sure what happened there. If Paul came down in price I'm sure Winky would also.
