Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
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CutMeMick
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hattonthehammer
The most dominant boxer of the last 10-20 years seemed to almost go into his shell after meeting gerald and never quite recovered.
It was almost as if roy had a sudden realisation and had a fear of getting hurt.
Just off the back of rewatching that 3rd tarver fight and it was almost as if RJJ just didnt wanna fight anymore and had lost that desire to be champ.
My man,
I bet you have NO idea that the G-Man was hurt prior to the Benn fight.
G-Man was already hurt and going through things by the time he faced Benn. It was always rumored that DK then G-Man promoter did an inside job and new G-Man was hurt but still had him fighting. Again this was all rumors until Tarick Salmici a once sparring partner and stable mate of G-Man did an interview and just let it all out from over hearing a conversation between DK and members of his team to sparring with G-Man and noticing G-Man blinking rapidly and acting strange.
If you knew the history behind this whole story you would know that RJJs visit to the G-Man was just him being a friend and I too believe it did not scare RJJ and even more so RUIN, RJJ.
I mean if that was the case RJJ would have never fought on past Art Serwano whom after RJJ lands a sick right hand to the head leaves Art on the floor in a minor seizure with his eyes rolling and body shaking/cringing.
No i just assumed gerald went his whole career without being so much as tagged ;D;D;D
How exactly the whole series of events ended in the tragedy gerald faced i and i suspect many experts who have studied this case fully are none the wiser.
It just appeared to me at times that RJJ just appeared unable to pull the trigger later on in his career even in times when during the tarver 3rd fight he must of knew it would be his only chance of winning the fight.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
The most dominant boxer of the last 10-20 years seemed to almost go into his shell after meeting gerald and never quite recovered.
It was almost as if roy had a sudden realisation and had a fear of getting hurt.
Just off the back of rewatching that 3rd tarver fight and it was almost as if RJJ just didnt wanna fight anymore and had lost that desire to be champ.
My man,
I bet you have NO idea that the G-Man was hurt prior to the Benn fight.
G-Man was already hurt and going through things by the time he faced Benn. It was always rumored that DK then G-Man promoter did an inside job and new G-Man was hurt but still had him fighting. Again this was all rumors until Tarick Salmici a once sparring partner and stable mate of G-Man did an interview and just let it all out from over hearing a conversation between DK and members of his team to sparring with G-Man and noticing G-Man blinking rapidly and acting strange.
If you knew the history behind this whole story you would know that RJJs visit to the G-Man was just him being a friend and I too believe it did not scare RJJ and even more so RUIN, RJJ.
I mean if that was the case RJJ would have never fought on past Art Serwano whom after RJJ lands a sick right hand to the head leaves Art on the floor in a minor seizure with his eyes rolling and body shaking/cringing.
That was a beautiful shot. One of Roys best knockouts
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
The most dominant boxer of the last 10-20 years seemed to almost go into his shell after meeting gerald and never quite recovered.
It was almost as if roy had a sudden realisation and had a fear of getting hurt.
Just off the back of rewatching that 3rd tarver fight and it was almost as if RJJ just didnt wanna fight anymore and had lost that desire to be champ.
When did Roy visit Gerald?
I heard Roy say he would not visit him until he retired as it would put him off.
As for it ruining him na stepping up in compitition and age did that.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
As of right now im not sure that he has visited gerald to date..
He may have done now but for years he just wouldnt..
he was the only guy to donate money and do things for him but refused to visit because he just couldnt continue his boxing career if he did.
i think the incident affected the way he went about his business in the right..
like so many fights of roys.. like gonzalez or reggie johnson, or richard hall..
but it wasnt visiting him as far as i know.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
I see an interview in 2006 and he had not visited Gerald.
And yes only Jones and Benn have ever done anything for the G-Man (boxers) i know Bert Sugar gave him $100,000 in 99ish.
And again it did not ruin Jones, his step up in compitition ruined him. Remember Jones never fought anyone remotely elite from 1994 until Tarver in 2003.
thats what caught Roy out not the G-Man.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
There was a segment on a news report a couple years ago about G-Man and they were saying that Roy has refused to visit him until his career is over, but has helped the McClellan out financially.
People have said that the McClellan tragedy made Roy more tenative in the ring, but I don't see it.
In the fights immediately following Benn-McClellan, I didn't see Roy being more tenative.
Antoine Byrd: Roy jumped on Byrd and stopped him in 2 minutes.
Vinny Pazienza: Roy had little problem turning it on in round 6 to finish Paz. He did sort of motion to the ref that the fight should've been stopped after the 2nd KD, but it wasn't like Roy fought tenative or held back.
Tony Thornton: After the KD late in round 2, Roy jumped on Tony and the fight was stopped shortly thereafter.
Merqui Sosa: Good short fight, Jones won in a couple rounds.
Eric Lucas: Haven't seen this one in years.
Bryant Brannon: Again, Roy did tell the ref to stop it as he saw that Brannon was done, but Roy showed no signs up to that point that he'd lost his offensive instincts or fire. He'd already dropped Brannon twice and the guy was done in the corner.
If anything, I felt that Roy facing bigger guys at 175 made him more content to coast and win a decision.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
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Thread Stealer
There was a segment on a news report a couple years ago about G-Man and they were saying that Roy has refused to visit him until his career is over, but has helped the McClellan out financially.
People have said that the McClellan tragedy made Roy more tenative in the ring, but I don't see it.
In the fights immediately following Benn-McClellan, I didn't see Roy being more tenative.
Antoine Byrd: Roy jumped on Byrd and stopped him in 2 minutes.
Vinny Pazienza: Roy had little problem turning it on in round 6 to finish Paz. He did sort of motion to the ref that the fight should've been stopped after the 2nd KD, but it wasn't like Roy fought tenative or held back.
Tony Thornton: After the KD late in round 2, Roy jumped on Tony and the fight was stopped shortly thereafter.
Merqui Sosa: Good short fight, Jones won in a couple rounds.
Eric Lucas: Haven't seen this one in years.
Bryant Brannon: Again, Roy did tell the ref to stop it as he saw that Brannon was done, but Roy showed no signs up to that point that he'd lost his offensive instincts or fire. He'd already dropped Brannon twice and the guy was done in the corner.
If anything, I felt that Roy facing bigger guys at 175 made him more content to coast and win a decision.
When Jones finally stepped up to semi-elite he realised you can get away with those flashy moves against the cans he fought from Toney but not against even solid journeyman.
Jones is a victim of being ultra protected.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
No chance! Toney was unbeaten and considered the best p4p fighter, he had just KO Williams dramatically and sliced Barclay, but Jones dominated the fight which no one would have thought he would have done so easily.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
When did he visit Mcclellan? I thought he said he wasn't going to until he retired
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
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Markusdarkus
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Thread Stealer
There was a segment on a news report a couple years ago about G-Man and they were saying that Roy has refused to visit him until his career is over, but has helped the McClellan out financially.
People have said that the McClellan tragedy made Roy more tenative in the ring, but I don't see it.
In the fights immediately following Benn-McClellan, I didn't see Roy being more tenative.
Antoine Byrd: Roy jumped on Byrd and stopped him in 2 minutes.
Vinny Pazienza: Roy had little problem turning it on in round 6 to finish Paz. He did sort of motion to the ref that the fight should've been stopped after the 2nd KD, but it wasn't like Roy fought tenative or held back.
Tony Thornton: After the KD late in round 2, Roy jumped on Tony and the fight was stopped shortly thereafter.
Merqui Sosa: Good short fight, Jones won in a couple rounds.
Eric Lucas: Haven't seen this one in years.
Bryant Brannon: Again, Roy did tell the ref to stop it as he saw that Brannon was done, but Roy showed no signs up to that point that he'd lost his offensive instincts or fire. He'd already dropped Brannon twice and the guy was done in the corner.
If anything, I felt that Roy facing bigger guys at 175 made him more content to coast and win a decision.
When Jones finally stepped up to semi-elite he realised you can get away with those flashy moves against the cans he fought from Toney but not against even solid journeyman.
Jones is a victim of being ultra protected.
You are so way off on your assesment of Roy it's not even funny. He'd have dealt easily with Tarver and Johnson just afew years prior, it was just that his reflexes which he so depended on were diminished. Watch any Jones fight 1993-2001 compared to Roy-Tarver 1 and it's obvious it's not the same athlete in there, I actually remember catching the fight half way through and telling my mates 'wow that guy looks like Jones Jr' then I saw the name on his shorts and realised it WAS him.
As for G-man, Roy was always cautious and had a tendency to carry opponents, he showed in the second griffin fight what he was capable when pissed. Watch his interview after that fight and you'll have answers to some of the Q's on this thread.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
Its hard to know for sure but Jones is much more likley to have long term health problems by fighting on so long past his prime.
It amazes me the number of boxers that have not learned the lesson of what taking to many punches does to you long term off Muhammad Ali.
Re: Did visiting mcclellan ruin Roy Jones Jr??
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Bomp
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Markusdarkus
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Originally Posted by
Thread Stealer
There was a segment on a news report a couple years ago about G-Man and they were saying that Roy has refused to visit him until his career is over, but has helped the McClellan out financially.
People have said that the McClellan tragedy made Roy more tenative in the ring, but I don't see it.
In the fights immediately following Benn-McClellan, I didn't see Roy being more tenative.
Antoine Byrd: Roy jumped on Byrd and stopped him in 2 minutes.
Vinny Pazienza: Roy had little problem turning it on in round 6 to finish Paz. He did sort of motion to the ref that the fight should've been stopped after the 2nd KD, but it wasn't like Roy fought tenative or held back.
Tony Thornton: After the KD late in round 2, Roy jumped on Tony and the fight was stopped shortly thereafter.
Merqui Sosa: Good short fight, Jones won in a couple rounds.
Eric Lucas: Haven't seen this one in years.
Bryant Brannon: Again, Roy did tell the ref to stop it as he saw that Brannon was done, but Roy showed no signs up to that point that he'd lost his offensive instincts or fire. He'd already dropped Brannon twice and the guy was done in the corner.
If anything, I felt that Roy facing bigger guys at 175 made him more content to coast and win a decision.
When Jones finally stepped up to semi-elite he realised you can get away with those flashy moves against the cans he fought from Toney but not against even solid journeyman.
Jones is a victim of being ultra protected.
You are so way off on your assesment of Roy it's not even funny. He'd have dealt easily with Tarver and Johnson just afew years prior, it was just that his reflexes which he so depended on were diminished. Watch any Jones fight 1993-2001 compared to Roy-Tarver 1 and it's obvious it's not the same athlete in there, I actually remember catching the fight half way through and telling my mates 'wow that guy looks like Jones Jr' then I saw the name on his shorts and realised it WAS him.
As for G-man, Roy was always cautious and had a tendency to carry opponents, he showed in the second griffin fight what he was capable when pissed. Watch his interview after that fight and you'll have answers to some of the Q's on this thread.
Tarver was the only good fighter he fought in 9 bloody years and he loses!
All the props for Toney but from 94-03 how the hell can he not look good fighting that opposition!
