Re: Kellerman tells it like it is
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Jesse James
I was a little surprised at how blunt Kellerman was towards Floyd. That being said, I think he had a point. I don't care what Floyd or his fans say, he hasn't fought the best competition out there, not in a long time at least. I'm not even saying that Tony could beat Floyd, but I think it is a fair argument to say that Floyd has ducked tough competition.
I was almost struck dumb when I saw Kreepy Kellerman berating Floyd like that. I wish he'd make another rap video dissing Mayweather:D
Personally; Floyd doesn't have to prove anything to me. I can't stand the guy, but Floyd is an all time great imo. Sure, I'd like to see him bump with Cotto and Williams and Margarito; just to back up those claims of how great he is at 147, and truth be told I'd love to see him lose to all of them. Problem is I don't think he loses to any of them.
I actually have been enjoying this WW division more without him since he's retired. I got sick of listening to him; and it's been pleasant, for me, to watch things unfold since he's been gone. Stay retired, it wouldn't bother me in the least.
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Kellerman is way better than Merchant IMO, he has a better grasp of whats going on in boxing, and doesn't take a half hour to say one sentence. If he could just cut down on the :cwm35: creepy eyes.
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Bx730NY
Much more than anyone can say about floyd. Did he lose? No. Did he fight anyone who had a chance coming in? Hell no.
I don't usually neg rep, but that's such a rediculous statement that you earned it.
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I was kinda hoping what Kellerman said would light a fire under floyds ass. Because I really wanna see him in against the top dawgs in the WW division.
I'm sure floyd will take what he said with a grain of salt though.
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eagle
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Jesse James
I was a little surprised at how blunt Kellerman was towards Floyd. That being said, I think he had a point. I don't care what Floyd or his fans say, he hasn't fought the best competition out there, not in a long time at least. I'm not even saying that Tony could beat Floyd, but I think it is a fair argument to say that Floyd has ducked tough competition.
I dont think it is fair to say Floyd has ducked tough opposition. HAtton, and DLH at 154 are hardly easy opposition, and in both fights a high percentage of 'experts' picked Floyd to lose.
The only fair thing to say is that he hasnt ofught Cotto, Margo or Williams yet. Dont mean he wont.
Hatton and DLH were not dangerous fights for Floyd. People are just frustrated at the fact that Welterweight is such a DEEP division and Floyd did not fight one of them. It doesn't mean he wouldn't win, it just means he's not willing to test the waters.
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Any fighter who dominates and retires will have people taunting them to come back. People can't seem to accept when a boxer dominates and just want to see any possible chance of seeing them loose. So if Mayweather came back and beat Cotto and Margarito (big possibility, can't see him loosing to them) and retires, later on a new star will come out and taunt him once again and you'll see people go "Oh! This guy would really beat Mayweather" and so on.
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For me it's a matter of fighting a welterweight..
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Max Kellerman just went off on HBO over Mayweather retirement. He says that your legacy is not set because you ducked Tony and Tony will beat you.
Wow he seemed pissed.
Kellerman didn't come right out and say that Margarito would beat Mayweather. He said that if Mayweather is half-hearted about boxing then coming back would be a mistake, but if he was serious about securing his legacy then he needs to fight Margarito.
Two weeks ago he had to fight Cotto to cement his legacy. Now if he fought and beat Cotto it would not be enough cos Margo already beat him. Before that Hatton, who he beat before that ODLH, who he beat. Before that it was Margo who Williams beat. Now it is Margo again cos he beat Cotto. The list will never end, and in fact has done a full loop.
The three biggest threats in his division he ducked. Margorito , Cotto and Williams. If he beats those he goes down with the likes of Greb , Pep and
Robinson. He is too young to go away.
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Interesting.
During the Cotto - Mosley fight, the pound for pound and true Welterweight champion debate arose between Kellerman and Emmanuel Steward.
Emmanuel Steward posed a question to Kellerman;
"If Floyd Mayweather doesn't fight the winner of this fight will you consider him the true Welterweight Champion."
Kellerman replied "Yes I will," on the basis of the Championships lineage.
Kellerman has long advocated and supported Mayweather, this is a dramatic turn around.
I had started to like Kellerman as he was quite observant and astute during the Cotto - Margarito fight, but this is another example of him trying to get involved in boxing again, as he did in the Hatton interview after Castillo.
You're just a commentator Max.
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piye
I think guys need to forget about Floyd; Floyd has proven to be a great fighter but he upset a lot of people in the industry too. Mayweathers legacy is already set lets move on while he is retired.
Yes please all move on. There's lots of young talent actively between the ropes that deserve the press or public awareness.
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piye
I think guys need to forget about Floyd; Floyd has proven to be a great fighter but he upset a lot of people in the industry too. Mayweathers legacy is already set lets move on while he is retired.
Yes please all move on. There's lots of young talent actively between the ropes that deserve the press or public awareness. Sure its fun to think about though.
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For me it's a matter of fighting a welterweight..
Exactly. He did all he could do in the lower weight classes, but he never cleaned out WW. The Hatton fight was at 147, but Hatton is not a real WW. Even Judah is a natural LWW, same with Sharmba Mitchell. He fought two legit WW's - Baldomir and Oscar. Fine, he needed to fight Baldomir for the lineal WW title, and Oscar, he fought for the money. Oscar was a legit risk, but it was also very high reward.
He probably beats any WW out there - Tony, Cotto, Williams - but his legacy will suffer for not making these fights. Ten years from now, he will considered an ATG, but nobody will consider him a great WW. Hell get credit for having good wins at that weight, it will become clear with time to everybody that only dabbled at WW.
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The fact is that no matter what major fighter stepped into the ring, the media propped them up like they had a chance. Not to say that they didnt, but let's take Baldomir for example. In retrospect, we all knew there was no way in hell he was gonna beat floyd. we all knew zab gets frustrated and gives up, and thats exactly what he did. oscar ran out of gas, but not b4 he managed to throw a desperate barrage of 8 or 9 straight body punches while his forearm was on floyds neck. And everyone cheered and the commentators even applauded his "determination." When a boxer is undefeated, everyone tries to find reasons why they shouldnt be, or give everyone a chance at beating them. His style works, and as I've posted b4, the trump card that makes him different than all the other fighters is that he NEVER gets tired. Cotto did what mayweather would do against marg, but cotto is obviously easier to hit with a suspect chin and he got tired. i dont think paul williams is even the caliber fighter to fight mayweather yet. There's 400 belts. having one doesnt make you worthy. I think Marg would murder him in a rematch. No one called Hatton an untrue WW before the fight, but they were sittin on that excuse afterwards. Mayweather needs a Tarver. By that i mean, that he is cursed by his own greatness. BTW im far from a floyd fan, but i respect his game, one boxer to another. RJJ had the same problem. He dominated so thoroughly that people got tired of it, when we should be tired of no one else being able to keep up.
