Re: Worst cases of Pugilistic dementia
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Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield
Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.
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i thought The Shadow got resurrected but turns out to be an old thread. i wonder what happened to that fellow?
Re: Worst cases of Pugilistic dementia
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Outside of Jerry Quarry and Ali, Floyd Patterson comes to mind, Joe Frazier, Hearns, Holyfield; Terry Norris was so bad that at a Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing over his pending re-licensing, he could barely form complete sentences. :cwm36:
I'm sure there are tons of others that come to you guys.
honestly there have been studies and it comes down to the person....just look around and you will see people walking around with very similar problems as the fighters...and thse people have never fought in their lives!!!!!!!! The fact that they/media exploit it is horrible.....all the fighters you named is less than 20....I see that many everyday at the store.....the dementia, parkinsons(michael j fox) and alzheimers(Ronald Reagan) are as genetic based as the Pugilistic dementia is caused from boxing.... now if a person starts to show sings of this do we stop them? Do we have the right? Lets say some has this and they are not a fighter...do they have to quit whatever job they are doing because that is what obviously caused their problem? all I'm saying is if you do it for the boxers we need to do it for everyone.... when do you stop....when do you determine that someone is starting to show the effects.... I gathered up plenty of this information because none of the gyms in my area wanted to have amateur boxing in them for fear of BRAIN DAMAGE.....I found studies that compared people that had never had a fight compared to fighters that had on average 70 amateur fights and the neurological tests came back the same there was no difference...the only thing that showed up was barely a loss of finger dexterity...what a shock...so all of this is more genetic than pugilistic.....???????????
if you get in a car accident and whack your head off your wind sheild or stirring wheel hard enough u can develope a slurr and slowness ...Ali after the 3rd frazier fight developed a slurr ..Bowe after the holyfeild and golata fights spoke different.....anyway Alis parkinsons is "parkonsons sydrom from brain stem trauma" ..anyway it is boxing that does this to the boxers..
and yes holyfeils should be aloowed to fight
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when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda
anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)
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when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda
anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)
Excellent point. these fighters that take fluid off to make weight take a huge risk. because the fluid barrier that cushions the brain from the skull is the last place that gets re-hydrated. About 48 hours or so after weight in ! Subdural Hematomais a greater possibility in a fighter that take that water weight off ! So when you see that over night gain of 14-15 lbs that’s not good !
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when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda
anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)
Excellent point. these fighters that take fluid off to make weight take a huge risk. because the fluid barrier that cushions the brain from the skull is the last place that gets re-hydrated. About 48 hours or so after weight in ! Subdural Hematomais a greater possibility in a fighter that take that water weight off ! So when you see that over night gain of 14-15 lbs that’s not good !
your right ...james toney doesnt take too many shots ,but veterans like him and ali are able to stay calm and fight tired ...Ali was running 5 miles only for 15 round fights cause he was very much AT HOME in the ring like toney...these fighter especilially need to watch carefully they dont take too many hits ...anyway many fight fan and even fighters dont know all this :o
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I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?
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I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?
I don't think tere is a connection...that has to do with an irregularity in the way the body produces those chemicals.....I have a friend who's father suffers from depression/Schitzophrenia/bipolar and he never fought a fight in his life...it's a genetic problem....
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I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?
I don't think tere is a connection...that has to do with an irregularity in the way the body produces those chemicals.....I have a friend who's father suffers from depression/Schitzophrenia/bipolar and he never fought a fight in his life...it's a genetic problem....
Does that mean I'm gonna end up a nut aswell :-\ ;)
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I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?
I don't think tere is a connection...that has to do with an irregularity in the way the body produces those chemicals.....I have a friend who's father suffers from depression/Schitzophrenia/bipolar and he never fought a fight in his life...it's a genetic problem....
Does that mean I'm gonna end up a nut aswell :-\ ;)
not exactly.....but there is always a minute chance...very minimal...remember you also share your mothers genes as well and you have your own unique chemical balance going on.....I wouldn't worry about it...they say alcoholism and drug addiction is genetic and my father was both of them and I am neither.....so it is possible that you will always be kinda ok...:) lol
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?
could be .. Interesting !
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Meldrick Taylor, Tommy Hearns, and Evander Holyfield right now could not read a coherrant sentence of 'Dick and Jane'.
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Meldrick Taylor, Tommy Hearns, and Evander Holyfield right now could not read a coherrant sentence of 'Dick and Jane'.
Yeah ..... but could they ever?
;D
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your right ...james toney doesnt take too many shots ,but veterans like him and ali are able to stay calm and fight tired ...Ali was running 5 miles only for 15 round fights cause he was very much AT HOME in the ring like toney...these fighter especilially need to watch carefully they dont take too many hits ...anyway many fight fan and even fighters dont know all this :o
lol i sorta screwed the pooch w/ all the typos on my last post but i fixed it ;)
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Wilfred Benitez has to be one of the worse cases
http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article71.htm
Quote "He can't walk out of the house by himself because he wouldn't know his way back," Wilfred's mother, Clara, told me recently. "He can't talk," she lamented. "He can't say the word 'cup.' His speech and memory are deteriorating fast. He trembles and can hardly move around."
