Now Who is the most overrated heavyweight

I'd say Ali and Tyson also,there proberbly the 2 biggest names in Boxing history,and 4 this reason casual/non Boxing fans seem 2 think they were unbeaten/P4P best ever etc.Iv'e argued plenty of times with non Boxing fans over calling Tyson 'unbeatable' and as 1 bloke called him on this Sports forum I go on the 'P4P best Boxer of all time'. The media are the worst 4 overating Ali,there are plenty of smaller Boxers who deserve just as much attention Ali gets.The 2 of them in the prime were 2 of the best,but as pointed out earlier,prime Tysons HW div was weak,Ali who is rated by many as P4P GOAT is overating the pair of them.

The only thing i can really agree with is when you said he was great when he was known as Cassius Clay. When he was younger Ali was fast as shit.

Im just curious... How do you guys rate a boxer? What is the criteria? Is there a bench mark to compare with? Right now im confuse coz the heavies that most of you just mentioned as overrated are great boxers in their division to my opinion...

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Lennox overrated how?

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I thought Lewis was a fantastic athlete, great hand eye coordination, graceful and he had the size to go with it.

On the minus side, I always thought his chin was brittle (and I'm not criticising him for the two KOs he suffered, I think nearly anyone would have been flattened by those pounches), he always fought cautiously as if he was a bit gun shy. His jab could have been much better but he often chose not to use it, he used his size well but also used a limited arsenal of punches.

He was also unlucky in that Tyson and Holyfield were both shot, Bowe was self destructing etc so he didnlt have anybody really good he could fight, yet still contrived to lose to two of the more average fighters you would ever see on a Champions resume as losses.

I'm not saying that Lennox was BAD, but he wasn;t the ATG that some people say.

Ken Norton. He made a career out of beating Ali and making him look bad the other two times. If Ali had beaten him the first time, there would have been no reason for the other two fights and I think Norton would be somewhat forgotten now.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Ali

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Okay, you can't just drop a name like that and not back it up with anything.

I hate saying it, but Mike Tyson. He fought nobodies in his prime because that was all there was to fight and had a tendency to get lazy. I wouldn't say it had he had a better mental make-up because Tyson had everything. He was like the tin-man, hard, but he had no heart. If you could stand up to Tyson's power or give him something he couldn't deal with you had him in the palm of your hand. Look at Tyson's last fight. He threw everything but the kitchen sink at the guy and when he wouldn't go away Tyson quit.

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Lennox- Underrated by the general public, he lacked charisma and the entertainment value in the ring.
Truth is he was one of the most formiddable heavyweights of all time

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Originally Posted by bigbadwolf

Tyson, Wladimir and Ali are over-rated?
Do these people know the meaning of over-rated? It doesn't mean the best ever!

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I don't know about Wladimir considering he gets trashed a whole lot and I definitely wouldn't say Ali, but Tyson, yes, and I'm a huge fan of his. If Tyson wasn't overrated then how was he packing arenas at the tail-end of his career when he was fighting nobodies? Tyson could have gotten a PPV against one of those clown things that bounce right back up when you punch 'em.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Lennox overrated how?

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I thought Lewis was a fantastic athlete, great hand eye coordination, graceful and he had the size to go with it.

On the minus side, I always thought his chin was brittle (and I'm not criticising him for the two KOs he suffered, I think nearly anyone would have been flattened by those pounches), he always fought cautiously as if he was a bit gun shy. His jab could have been much better but he often chose not to use it, he used his size well but also used a limited arsenal of punches.

He was also unlucky in that Tyson and Holyfield were both shot, Bowe was self destructing etc so he didnlt have anybody really good he could fight, yet still contrived to lose to two of the more average fighters you would ever see on a Champions resume as losses.

I'm not saying that Lennox was BAD, but he wasn;t the ATG that some people say.

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No one has said Lewis was the greatest heavyweights ever, he is somewhere in the top 10, which is certainly not overrating him, he was lazy against Rahman and got caught with a stupid shot and knocked cold, and was clipped on the top of the head from McCall, both of which he returned to beat, he got a little lazy in the later stages of his career and was a bit lakluster against Klitschko, but the guy won the Gold Medal and pretty much every world title, and beat 10 world champions. Sometimes he wasn't the prettiest to watch but sometimes you have to be smart and use your advantages, if you are gung-ho and dive into things you might impress the crowds but the W is the most important thing at the end of the day. Harsh that he has been brought up, if he was rated the best heavyweight of all time fair enough, but that is not the case he is regarded as top 10 which is more than fair.

Lewis certainly is'nt overated,he would have to be rated to be overated,and I believe he's 1 of the most underated Boxers in history,I think theres only a handfull of HW Boxers that would of stood a chance of beating a prime,focused Lewis.

Whoever thinks ali is overrated is stupid look what he did he beat all time greats liston,patterson,moore,frazier,foreman, he beat these guys and beat other fighters champions today would have struggled against. ali in his prime was amazing could you see much heavyweights throwing 10 punch combos with his speed. ALI BUMAYAI. Anyway back to the point lewis was overrated i just dont like him his style was boring he just used his size to beat class c fighters who did he beat who was great. A shot stabbed and money hungry tyson? OVERRATED.

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Whoever thinks ali is overrated is stupid look what he did he beat all time greats liston,patterson,moore,frazier,foreman, he beat these guys and beat other fighters champions today would have struggled against. ali in his prime was amazing could you see much heavyweights throwing 10 punch combos with his speed. ALI BUMAYAI. Anyway back to the point lewis was overrated i just dont like him his style was boring he just used his size to beat class c fighters who did he beat who was great. A shot stabbed and money hungry tyson? OVERRATED.

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Sonny Liston fix was in the second fight first one was great yes prime Cassius Clay. Floyd Patterson a champion in the fifties when he fought him he was 38 or something and old shell of Floyd Patterson.Archie light heavyweight champ again a former shell of himself. Shit he was like 50 by time him and Ali fought.Frazier beat him in the first in my eyes again in the second,the third I had him ahead by 1 round . The Foreman fight was a miracle I agree. but IMO Ali is looked for more what he did outside the ring than in it.

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Ali

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Okay, you can't just drop a name like that and not back it up with anything.

I hate saying it, but Mike Tyson. He fought nobodies in his prime because that was all there was to fight and had a tendency to get lazy. I wouldn't say it had he had a better mental make-up because Tyson had everything. He was like the tin-man, hard, but he had no heart. If you could stand up to Tyson's power or give him something he couldn't deal with you had him in the palm of your hand. Look at Tyson's last fight. He threw everything but the kitchen sink at the guy and when he wouldn't go away Tyson quit.

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Tyson is only overrated by naive young boxing fans. You can usually spot them because they always refer to a "prime mike tyson" like it makes his dominating victories over Larry Holmes' washed up opponents seem more signficant.

Jack Dempsey. He fought mediocre fighters every couple of years as champion and avoided the real challengers.

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Originally Posted by feeney

Whoever thinks ali is overrated is stupid look what he did he beat all time greats liston,patterson,moore,frazier,foreman, he beat these guys and beat other fighters champions today would have struggled against. ali in his prime was amazing could you see much heavyweights throwing 10 punch combos with his speed. ALI BUMAYAI. Anyway back to the point lewis was overrated i just dont like him his style was boring he just used his size to beat class c fighters who did he beat who was great. A shot stabbed and money hungry tyson? OVERRATED.

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U dont rate him cos u dont like his style,and he was boring?! Class c fighters are the HWs u see now,not the HWs of Lewis era,the fact that u rate beating Tyson as the best thing Lewis did shows your clueless! Go and watch Lewis career set,this is why he's underated,cos he has so many haters! Maybe if he'd got into a few fights outside some nightclubs or came from a broken home,he'd get a few more fans!