Why would Roach allow Pacquaio to fight this fight?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Where those the names in bold?

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So you picked those small time boxing forum posters like you and conveniently omit the opinions of well known boxing personalities? More or less they have the same opinion. They're giving PAC a chance to defeat Hoya...

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Why would you quote posters from a garbage site and try to past them off as meaningful? There not.

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Then just ignore those you consider garbage and try to discredit what Toney, Merchant and Lewkowicz has said...

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

So you picked those small time boxing forum posters like you and conveniently omit the opinions of well known boxing personalities? More or less they have the same opinion. They're giving PAC a chance to defeat Hoya...

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Why would you quote posters from a garbage site and try to past them off as meaningful? There not.

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Then just ignore those you consider garbage and try to discredit what Toney, Merchant and Lewkowicz has said...

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Again, why quote them? You consider there opinion to be on par with that of Toney and Merchant's?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Why would you quote posters from a garbage site and try to past them off as meaningful? There not.

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Then just ignore those you consider garbage and try to discredit what Toney, Merchant and Lewkowicz has said...

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Again, why quote them? You consider there opinion to be on par with that of Toney and Merchant's?

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I can consider your own personal opinion at par with Merchant but not better... Each man's opinion will be considered equal...

I still think Roach and Pacquaio are in this for more than the money, you can say Mayweather is in boxing for the money, you can say Hopkins, Pavlik, etc. is, you can say almost anyone in boxing is, but Pacquaio is the guy who fought everyone, EVERYONE. Same with Oscar... they would not have this fight because of money alone... OScar didn't fight Mayweather for the bills these guys don't need it. These two have always chased glory, and I believe Oscar sees the legitimacy of Pacquaio, and Manny sees it in himself.

Also people can't say Freddie Roach's comments are just a guy overhyping his fighter, THEY WERE BOTH HIS FIGHTER at one point which means he has a more valid opinion on this than any of us.

Oscar = $$$$

They are in this fight for the biggest money maker of both their careers(Pac and Roach).

As for his chances. I remember when Roy Jones was dominating the LHW division to such a point he was playing basketball on the morning of fights to give his opponents a chance of winning (there was still no chance). Although he has only fought there once Pacquiaos performance at lightweight reminded me of the Jones LHW era, Diaz, a good fighter in his own right had absolutely no chance and Pac seemed invincible (just like Jones). That was when people started calling for Jones to take up a challenge and move upto heavyweight which he did and comfortably won the WBA title off Ruiz. I know Oscar is a far better fighter (p4p) than Ruiz and I would bet on Oscar beating Pac but to totally write off Pacs chances of beating Oscar is unfair, he is seriously talented, younger and faster than Oscar.
Yeah he gives up a lot in natural size, reach and power but these things are not everything. Oscar did not look brilliant in his last outing against former SUPERFEATHERWEIGHT Steve Forbes and Pac is far better than Forbes.

I cannot see Pac having the power to knock Oscar out but he stands a chance if he can get in hit Oscar with a couple of shots then get back out and stay on his bike.

I dont think Pacquioa will win but I think he stands a much better chance than people give him credit for here.

Do i think Manny will be knocked out?
Nope!

Oscar UD 12

That said fighting Oscar will give Manny more recoqnition in the states as the number 1 boxer on the planet, if he manages to beat Oscar the possibilities are endless. Marketing wise anyway.

I really don't think Pacquiaio will get killed by Oscar, I mean cmon guys did you not watch his 12 round borefest over Steve Forbes, a guy barely any bigger than Pacquiao.

Manny has the speed and footwork to stay elusive and give Oscar some problems. I'd see Oscar as the favourite but he's not a real physical fighter and probably wouldn't try and knock Pacquaio out.


The far bigger problem for me in this is that if the two did fight, it would doubtless mean that Oscar would try and enter in negotiation with Pacquaio for future fight promotions.

Honestly I wouldn't put it past Oscar to go easy on Pac, or even take a bodyshot and get knocked out if it meant he could then have Pacquiao's signature for the rest of his career.

It's all coming together now, Oscar buys the Ring Magazine, Oscar inks Pacquaio, the Ring Magazine becomes the official supporter of the Pacman and helps, along with his victory over Oscar to become a boxing phenonemon, i.e a golden goose for Oscar that he will make millions from over the next couple years.

If the fight happens, I guruantee it means Oscar will promote Manny in future, and that also guarantees that Oscar will not attempt to make Manny look bad.

The fight will be an awful fix, dpending on how much money is involved Oscar may even take another dive.

Shameful, fuck Oscar De La Hoya.

bilbo: i would rather see pac lose then have his oppenent take a dive. if ever the philippines find out pac had one of his oppenent take a dive. Pac would never be able to come back in the country and his dream of being a politician will never happen.

if this fight happens, i really believe oscar will be less trouble then jmm but the size factor is the only thing stopping pac from ktfo oscar. pac too fast too slick too good right now for dela hoya.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I really don't think Pacquiaio will get killed by Oscar, I mean cmon guys did you not watch his 12 round borefest over Steve Forbes, a guy barely any bigger than Pacquiao.

Manny has the speed and footwork to stay elusive and give Oscar some problems. I'd see Oscar as the favourite but he's not a real physical fighter and probably wouldn't try and knock Pacquaio out.


The far bigger problem for me in this is that if the two did fight, it would doubtless mean that Oscar would try and enter in negotiation with Pacquaio for future fight promotions.

Honestly I wouldn't put it past Oscar to go easy on Pac, or even take a bodyshot and get knocked out if it meant he could then have Pacquiao's signature for the rest of his career.

It's all coming together now, Oscar buys the Ring Magazine, Oscar inks Pacquaio, the Ring Magazine becomes the official supporter of the Pacman and helps, along with his victory over Oscar to become a boxing phenonemon, i.e a golden goose for Oscar that he will make millions from over the next couple years.

If the fight happens, I guruantee it means Oscar will promote Manny in future, and that also guarantees that Oscar will not attempt to make Manny look bad.

The fight will be an awful fix, dpending on how much money is involved Oscar may even take another dive.

Shameful, fuck Oscar De La Hoya.

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Well I'd rather see ODLH take a dive than him killing PAC. Stains PAC's legacy though. Not a farfetched idea Bilbo;)

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Who the fukk cares what those dumb muthafukkas think? There opinion don't mean shiit.

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Yep, you think your opinion is more relevant than James Toney, Larry Merchant and Samson Lewkowicz...

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Where those the names in bold?

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Because I end up Right again!!!

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Originally Posted by amat

Haha, so Pac, Pac's trainer, a guy in Pac's camp, 2 guys from ESB and a guy named PacDBest all think Pac will win. Thanks for the heads up.

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Now you know who's the Man!!! Pacdbest a Pac believer since 2003!!!

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by amat

Haha, so Pac, Pac's trainer, a guy in Pac's camp, 2 guys from ESB and a guy named PacDBest all think Pac will win. Thanks for the heads up.

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Now you know who's the Man!!! Pacdbest a Pac believer since 2003!!!

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Wow. A whole 5 years. A true believer, yeah? :rolleyes:

I hope Hatton knocks the crap out of Pac. I like Pac, but I want all of his fans to become humbled. They need it. Been on the gravy train too long. ;)

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by amat

Haha, so Pac, Pac's trainer, a guy in Pac's camp, 2 guys from ESB and a guy named PacDBest all think Pac will win. Thanks for the heads up.

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Now you know who's the Man!!! Pacdbest a Pac believer since 2003!!!

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Wow. A whole 5 years. A true believer, yeah? :rolleyes:

I hope Hatton knocks the crap out of Pac. I like Pac, but I want all of his fans to become humbled. They need it. Been on the gravy train too long. ;)

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We don't need to be humble. We ARe celebrating Pac's Greatness. Do you want to see a Quiet Crowd in the Fight??? Aren't you Hattonites are the one singing " There's only one Ricky Hatton." Why don't you show me how to be a humble fan???

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Now you know who's the Man!!! Pacdbest a Pac believer since 2003!!!

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Wow. A whole 5 years. A true believer, yeah? :rolleyes:

I hope Hatton knocks the crap out of Pac. I like Pac, but I want all of his fans to become humbled. They need it. Been on the gravy train too long. ;)

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We don't need to be humble. We ARe celebrating Pac's Greatness. Do you want to see a Quiet Crowd in the Fight??? Aren't you Hattonites are the one singing " There's only one Ricky Hatton." Why don't you show me how to be a humble fan???

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You might not need to be humble, but this fight may well humble you. A humble fan is one of a fighter who has lost. That might describe you. :-\