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If a past his prime De La Hoya can push Mayweather to a split decicion, and bare in mind ODLH is not a natural pressure fighter.
Then you got to say a clever pressure fighter who can fight to a game plan would stand a chance.
This is a fight where I think Mayweather would have to stand his ground and fight or get beaten.
PITY IT IS NOT LIKLEY TO HAPPEN:eek:
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Originally Posted by porkypara
Please I don't know how anyone could of scored that fight for ODLH, PBF was nowhere near his limit. That was an example of an in the pocket judge IMO. I also don't believe PBF would have to alter his plan in any way to fight Cotto, as PBF's style works best against pressure fighters. As a matter of fact he has fought more pressure fighters than anyone I can think of in recent memory.
How the hell is Margarito anywhere near the best fighter of his era? He hasn't even been in the top 10 p4p until recently. Also a younger MOsley was exceptionally deserving to fight anyone, but what Mosley done since his "comeback" to welterweight, Sorry but beating Collazo doesn't mean you deserve a shot at the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Cotto is the only won that deserved and still deserves a shot, but he wouldn't beat Mayweather.
Anyone who thought Oscar deserved a split decision is a retard, I am not kidding right now. Oscar lost by AT LEAST 4 rounds. Mayweather outsped him, out boxed him, even outfought Oscar down the stretch. Oscar wasn't pressuring the whole fight, there were plenty of times Mayweather stood right in front of the much larger Oscar and made Oscar miss while landing his own shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Keep in mind Oscar is a better boxer, faster, stronger chin, and hits harder then Cotto. Cotto does pressure better, he's more accurate, and he is better against speed, but he is outmatched against Floyd, a guy he wouldn't hurt, wouldn't outbox, wouldn't beat on the inside.
Floyd won the fight...no question. But for certain stretches...Oscar was able to land his jab at will and read/block Floyd's punches. Floyd eventually settled down and used his superior stamina/speed to win the fight. I have always thought in order to beat Floyd you need a great jab and great stamina. Cotto has an excellent jab. He normally has pretty good stamina...but when pressured his stamina and his chin are question marks for me (Floyd certainly isn't a pressure fighter). All that being said...Cotto would probably be the best all around, PRIME fighter Floyd has faced in a long time. As good as Oscar still is, he certainly wasn't in his prime when fighting Floyd and i thought Oscar's all out pressure style was the wrong game plan anyways against Floyd. Oscar best moments in that fight is when he boxed using his jab. Cotto has developed into a more complete boxer...he even showed great counter punching skills against Tony (of course Tony is much easier to hit than Floyd). Just saying...i wouldn't say Cotto is now just a pressure fighter...he can mix it up pretty well. Floyd vs. Cotto would be a very good fight. But i still think Floyd's superior skill, stamina, and defense would lead him to a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethAnyone who thought Oscar deserved a split decision is a retard, I am not kidding right now. Oscar lost by AT LEAST 4 rounds. Mayweather outsped him, out boxed him, even outfought Oscar down the stretch. Oscar wasn't pressuring the whole fight, there were plenty of times Mayweather stood right in front of the much larger Oscar and made Oscar miss while landing his own shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Keep in mind Oscar is a better boxer, faster, stronger chin, and hits harder then Cotto. Cotto does pressure better, he's more accurate, and he is better against speed, but he is outmatched against Floyd, a guy he wouldn't hurt, wouldn't outbox, wouldn't beat on the inside.
Oscar's jab was the most overrated punch in the fight. It hardly landed at all. SUre it did a few times, and thats bound to happen, but it wasn't dominant in any round except maybe the 7th... people are totally overhyping what Oscar was doing. And as for Oscar's defense, he definitely made Mayweather not land as flush of shots as he would have liked, but Floyd still landed a very high % of his punches. As for all round fighter, both this Oscar and Cotto are pretty close, Oscar is a superior boxer, Cotto is a better pressure fighter, Oscar is harder to hit, Cotto is more accurate, both hit hard, but Oscar has a way better chin, both have troubles down the stretch when they are being pushed in a fight. Oscar's faster, Cotto has better timing, but after that Oscar is a lot bigger, more experienced, etc, etc.
Cotto does have a chance, but not a very big one, and no Oscar stood no chance against Mayweather.
i see pbf beating him however he wants sticking and moving or by ko cotto just dont have what it takes to be great
Taeth ,my man.I have to ask...Does Margarito Deserve a shot.Heard he had a decent showing last time out :dontknow: vs. that very same Cotto? Maybe Mayweather will find his desire yet again and decide to return ya know... grace us with his presence?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow the hell is Margarito anywhere near the best fighter of his era? He hasn't even been in the top 10 p4p until recently. Also a younger MOsley was exceptionally deserving to fight anyone, but what Mosley done since his "comeback" to welterweight, Sorry but beating Collazo doesn't mean you deserve a shot at the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Cotto is the only won that deserved and still deserves a shot, but he wouldn't beat Mayweather.
i chose cotto cause now i hate mayweather...lol
but its never going to happen he gave up so much money with oscar
and hes very busy with his gangster celeb life right now...LOL
No, as a matter of fact, and as much as I despise Mayweather the 'human', he won the fight outright. I'd give Cotto a little longer than Hatton in the ring with Mayweather before he gets stopped. Mayweather is just a freakishly gifted fighter with the personality of a sewage rat.Quote:
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Originally Posted by porkypara
Please I don't know how anyone could of scored that fight for ODLH, PBF was nowhere near his limit. That was an example of an in the pocket judge IMO. I also don't believe PBF would have to alter his plan in any way to fight Cotto, as PBF's style works best against pressure fighters. As a matter of fact he has fought more pressure fighters than anyone I can think of in recent memory.
yes very true i watched the odlh vs pbf fight and i was mad that anyone in there right mind could score odlh winning the last round watch just that last round if you can find it and you'll see what im talking about. but as for cotto its like putting floyd in the ring with the same guy over and over again. these are words right out of floyds mouth( im going to be me all these guys come in the ring trying to do the same old thing im just gonna do me) what he was saying is i dont even have to change my game plan because he knows for the most part how the fight is gonna go. think about it befor every fight a boxer trains to best beat who hes going to face in the ring next if you keep faceing the same style of fighter your only going to get better and better at beating that style because training camp is going to be close to the same everytime
Floyd would defeat all three, Mosley, Cotto, and Margarito.
Might even stop Cotto.
He needs to fight Margarito, thats what Floyd needs to do. IF Cotto had won, then I would say he needs to fight Cotto.
Well there are a lot of retards out there in that case coz a lot of people who know more about boxing than YOU thought ODLH won.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethAnyone who thought Oscar deserved a split decision is a retard, I am not kidding right now. Oscar lost by AT LEAST 4 rounds. Mayweather outsped him, out boxed him, even outfought Oscar down the stretch. Oscar wasn't pressuring the whole fight, there were plenty of times Mayweather stood right in front of the much larger Oscar and made Oscar miss while landing his own shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Keep in mind Oscar is a better boxer, faster, stronger chin, and hits harder then Cotto. Cotto does pressure better, he's more accurate, and he is better against speed, but he is outmatched against Floyd, a guy he wouldn't hurt, wouldn't outbox, wouldn't beat on the inside.
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Originally Posted by bertolacyleeYou are so ridiculous! So your saying that those three fighters are better than DLH??? Cotto gets a lucky decision over mosley then loses to margarito and hes an alltime great? im not bashing on him im just saying lets see what he does before we him a best fighter of any era. Margarito is definately good but before we call him great lets see him a little bit more. He has wins against cotto and cintron but also a loss against williams. Shane is definately good but i havent heard stories of floyd "avoiding" him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Firstly the Oscar that fought Floyd was a 6rd slow version of the guy Mosley fought. And yes Cotto at this stage is a better fighter than Oscar and so is Margarito.
Mosley has aged much better than Oscar also, your points are weak point is Floyd didnt fight them for one reason or the other.