10 pounds aint that much of a difference anyway since kelly is a big guy. a kessler fight would be better than a calzaghe fight to me kessler has a better chance to win than joe
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10 pounds aint that much of a difference anyway since kelly is a big guy. a kessler fight would be better than a calzaghe fight to me kessler has a better chance to win than joe
I have a tough time picking who would win between Kessler and Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Kessler is clearly the more technical superior boxer who has fast hands, good power and is a good counter puncher.
In his fight against Calzaghe he performed well early on but once Calzaghe adapted kessler has no plan b and was also overwhelmed by Calzaghes high workrate + pressure was even hurt in the 8th by Calzaghe who lacks power at this stage of his career. pavlik hits harder than Calzaghe.
Pavlik is a good pressure fighter who has a good jab and a monster right hand, has a good workrate.
Pavlik has slow footwork and slow hands and is predictable. He also lacks defense and was hurt by Jermain Taylor who does have good power but kessler hits harder.
In the fight Pavlik would be the agressor coming forward and throwing his typical 1-2 combo with Kessler moving left and right trying to counter pavliks punches. Either Pavliks good workrate, power and pressure overwhelm Kessler and Pavlik gets the decision or possibly stops kessler late or Kessler's accurate hard counters and lateral movement help get him the decision and maybe even get him a stoppage win.
I hope this fight happens next year.;D
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Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Both beat Pavlik handily.
Calzaghe always and i mean ALWAYS looks sensational against guys that come at him. Pavlik will press the fight and get really bust up.
yea but kelly has been improvin on and on look at the lockett fight he didnt get hit that much he backed up when he came in and dropt him about 3 times and plus after the hopkins he will build up alot of experience after that. and kessler hasnt had much experience at all except joe and all his fights been in denmark against nobodys i checked his record so if he fights kelly hel just get kod cuz of the lack of experience he cant knock kelly out either kelly has fought power punchers before and knockin him down only make it worse.
Lockett got caught in the headlights and basically froze, he didnt let his hands go and shouldnt of been in there in the first place. The guy is a british level fighter, not even the best middleweight in Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
To say Kessler has no exprience?? WTF? He fought for the WBA 168 title in a hostile atmosphere in Australia, he has had i think 10+ 12 round fights in front of huge crowds. how can you say he aint experienced?
being in a hostile crowd is one thing having great fighters on your resume is another
I don;t think moving up to 175 will lessen his power any or his punches effect. What he has to worry about is at 175, much of the physical advantages he enjoys at 160 are gone as the opponents are just bigger. You also have to wonder about how durable he will be at 175 when it comes to taking his opponents punches.
Kelly hasn't fought at 175 before. So we don't know whether he can be a force or not. It's all ifs and buts. We will only found out once he fights at that weight.
Calzaghe is open to the right hand, he has proved that in the past. Kelly has a lethal right hand, he has proved that in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticI don't see why people think Hopkins getting Ko'd is a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Pavlik may have good power at 160 but as his second fight with Taylor showed it doesn't carry plus the fact he is a slow accumulation puncher and Hopkins is hard as fuck to hit Cleanly. Pavlik will not land enough to put Hopkins in any trouble.
Pavlik fighting Hopkins is the biggest mistake he has ever made.
Him fighting Calzaghe would be another mistake.
Calzaghe just has the perfect style to beat him and i'm surprised people actually give him a chance against joe.
Hopkins knocked Calzaghe down with a right. Kelly Pavlik hits 10 x more harder than Hopkins. So if Hopkins can put Joe on his ass it's a scary thought what Pavlik could do.
don't forget Kessler has a lethal right to, he hits alot harder than Hopkins...Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeCalzaghe is open to the right hand, he has proved that in the past. Kelly has a lethal right hand, he has proved that in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticI don't see why people think Hopkins getting Ko'd is a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Pavlik may have good power at 160 but as his second fight with Taylor showed it doesn't carry plus the fact he is a slow accumulation puncher and Hopkins is hard as fuck to hit Cleanly. Pavlik will not land enough to put Hopkins in any trouble.
Pavlik fighting Hopkins is the biggest mistake he has ever made.
Him fighting Calzaghe would be another mistake.
Calzaghe just has the perfect style to beat him and i'm surprised people actually give him a chance against joe.
Hopkins knocked Calzaghe down with a right. Kelly Pavlik hits 10 x more harder than Hopkins. So if Hopkins can put Joe on his ass it's a scary thought what Pavlik could do.
back on topic yeah I think Pavlik can do damage at 175, I'd like to see him at supermiddle first though, I think theres better fights there, hopefully he fights Abraham at supermiddle after Hopkins, don't think dropping from Lheavy to Middle will do his body any favors
Kessler has more experience than Pavlik imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
And the best fighter on Pavliks resume is Jermain Taylor. The same Taylor who was given the two fights with Hopkins and scored a draw with Wright where lots of people thought he lost and had two horrible performances against natural junior middleweights and you could argue he lost to cory spinks. Not exactly a great fighter is he.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Pavliks resume is overated.
The Hopkins knockdown was more to Calzaghe being off balance and not seeing the punch. Hopkins has one of the sneakiest most accurate right hand in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeCalzaghe is open to the right hand, he has proved that in the past. Kelly has a lethal right hand, he has proved that in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticI don't see why people think Hopkins getting Ko'd is a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Pavlik may have good power at 160 but as his second fight with Taylor showed it doesn't carry plus the fact he is a slow accumulation puncher and Hopkins is hard as fuck to hit Cleanly. Pavlik will not land enough to put Hopkins in any trouble.
Pavlik fighting Hopkins is the biggest mistake he has ever made.
Him fighting Calzaghe would be another mistake.
Calzaghe just has the perfect style to beat him and i'm surprised people actually give him a chance against joe.
Hopkins knocked Calzaghe down with a right. Kelly Pavlik hits 10 x more harder than Hopkins. So if Hopkins can put Joe on his ass it's a scary thought what Pavlik could do.
What Calzaghe did to Kessler would be what he would do to Pavlik. Pavlik would have success with his right hand early but then Calzaghe adapts to it and takes over the fight.
By the way Pavlik does not hit 10x harder than bhop
Thats stupid talk . ;D
I believe he'll carry some pop up... People seem to forget that these are both guys that fought the majority of their careers at MW... It's not like you have a MW coming up to fight a natural LHW... Pavlik is a big MW and will translate well to 175.
Thats the excuse they will make when Pavlik loses. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
There's no way he can lose this fight... His output is to high. It won't be pretty but Pav will press the action and just plain outwork Nard...Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticThats the excuse they will make when Pavlik loses. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
It's just the way it is.. For the final 4.5 rounds of the Joe C fight Nard threw virtually nothing... He was used up. Joe does not hit anywhere close to as hard as even a MW in Pavlik. Pav starts touching that body early and he'll run out of steam even sooner.
I love Bernard but the people that think Nard is a favorite for this are just plain kidding themselves.