Killer I make you right, Im pretty sure there seems more injurys now than there use to be. Now its a risky what some people are trying to do, some things never change, Try to be clever means youre trying so you are not. ;D
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Killer I make you right, Im pretty sure there seems more injurys now than there use to be. Now its a risky what some people are trying to do, some things never change, Try to be clever means youre trying so you are not. ;D
You can argue height all you want, but Diego COrrales wasn't coming into the ring at 148 when he was a superfeatherweight. Its unusual to see a lightweight come in at 148 let alone a superfeatherweight, that kind of weight gain means that he wasn't making weight easily, and he was doing something very unnatural with his body to get down there. Lots of times fighters will be within a few pounds of their weigh-in and not cut those pounds until closer to the weigh in becuase the longer they are at those low weights the more unhealthy it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Hey easy mate on branding guys out here.. You have a point there regarding cutting weight.. But in Guzmans case, he isn't a natural 135 fighter remember.. Corrales is a tall beast for a 135 frame so the difference there already is obvious. Guzman never fought at 135 before and he easily make 130 a year ago. The issue here is why he didn't make it at 135.. He has about 3 months since they agree to fight. Remember guys they are professionals and knows the consequence of over and under trained. Since the Castillo debacle, they are already implementing a mandatory monitoring to avoid such thing to ever happen again. Guzman should know that better isn't. WHAT IT DOESN'T MAKES SENSE TO ME IS what are his team doing during his training camp? Their job is to monitor his weight and condition.
As for Oscar, he should make 147 fine, he didn't just all the sudden come back down, and he didn't have any trouble making 150 against Forbes. He said he is at 151 right now, and that he will make the weight easy. If he struggled at all to make 150 I could see your guys' point, but he didn't so I think there is no conclusive evidence 147 will be a bad weight for Oscar.
Now that we know Guzman pulls a Ricky Hatton in between fights, you're right, it makes sense, especially when he doesn't give himself a long enough training camp like Hatton does.The problem was that he let himself ballon up in between fights and had a short training came. He probably did very little conditioning during his layoff. If you are going to live that kind of lifestyle, you give yourself time. Guzman knew he had a big fight coming at some point. He should have watched his diet and done a little running before camp started. If he would have showed up at camp at 155 instead of 170, he could have easily dropped ten more naturally in a six week camp and drained out the last ten without putting himself in jeopardy.Quote:
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Also, you can drain water from muscle much more easily than you can from fat. If he was draining 15lbs of water to make weight before, it was possible because he was in proper shape. If he had let his lean muscle mass drop by being out of shape for his entire year off, there is no way he could drain the same amount of water. Look at Tito and Roy before there fight...in shape, active Jones made weight no problem. Fat, inactive Tito had the weight issue.
Look at Bernard Hopkins. Why was he able to stay at MW so long? He stayed in shape between training camps. Same with Shane Mosley. Same with Roy Jones.
The same thing happened with Chico and JCC. They didn't take care of themselves between fights and as they aged, it caught up with them. If they treated their bodies like Hopkins treats his, weight never would have been an issue for either. Perhaps moving up one division would have been necessary, but they could have made weight properly.
that would be even more harder on fighters, that means they have to watch their weight twice before the fight. its additional stress the fighters do not need.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaWhich is why I've been saying for a while that there should be a limit on the amount of weight you're allowed to gain in the time after the weigh-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
If it's an 130 pound fight, you shouldn't be allowed to rehydrate over 140. If it's a 135 pound fight, you shouldn't be able to enter the ring above 147, etc.
Too bad it's only a ban in Mississippi, that isn't going to hurt him at all. I hope he gets sued by Nate and has to pay out of his next fight's purse. Especially after what 3 fights in a row falling through with this guy.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rainthat would be even more harder on fighters, that means they have to watch their weight twice before the fight. its additional stress the fighters do not need.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaWhich is why I've been saying for a while that there should be a limit on the amount of weight you're allowed to gain in the time after the weigh-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
If it's an 130 pound fight, you shouldn't be allowed to rehydrate over 140. If it's a 135 pound fight, you shouldn't be able to enter the ring above 147, etc.
I think the IBF has some additional weight restrictions......