Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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I thought Oscar won the fight hands down Tito did nothing to deserve the win because of that win is why he is even mention with Oscar. Oscar Clearly outboxed him and he was robbed but o well its boxing and it happens to everyone. The only people taht i thought beat Oscar Clearly were Mosley at welter weight, Hopkins and Mayweather. But i while say only person to beat him in prime was Mosley. Never thought that Oscar really ever got dominated in a fight but that is just a thought.
No one was robbed i hate that term used in a close fight like this, and for the record i thought Pernell Whitaker beat a prime ODLH.
Pernell lost a close fight, but Oscar won that, That right hand was landing too often for Oscar. Also this was a robbery, it was a comprehensive boxing lesson that was placed on Tito. Even in the last 3 rounds, Oscar wasn't punching, but Tito didn't dominate those rounds, he just won them because he was more aggressive. Oscar took him to school, and got robbed. He also deserved to beat Mosley at 154, he outboxed him as well.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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Taeth
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ICB
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Mr140
I thought Oscar won the fight hands down Tito did nothing to deserve the win because of that win is why he is even mention with Oscar. Oscar Clearly outboxed him and he was robbed but o well its boxing and it happens to everyone. The only people taht i thought beat Oscar Clearly were Mosley at welter weight, Hopkins and Mayweather. But i while say only person to beat him in prime was Mosley. Never thought that Oscar really ever got dominated in a fight but that is just a thought.
No one was robbed i hate that term used in a close fight like this, and for the record i thought Pernell Whitaker beat a prime ODLH.
Pernell lost a close fight, but Oscar won that, That right hand was landing too often for Oscar. Also this was a robbery, it was a comprehensive boxing lesson that was placed on Tito. Even in the last 3 rounds, Oscar wasn't punching, but Tito didn't dominate those rounds, he just won them because he was more aggressive. Oscar took him to school, and got robbed. He also deserved to beat Mosley at 154, he outboxed him as well.
Yes but RBR wise it was close Taeth and thats a fact, Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.
I think ODLH was clearly outboxing Tito and landed more punches in the first 9 rounds, but again RBR wise i had it a draw, but there should of been rematch.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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Well i sure the hell did not and he was robbed should of won the fight with out the last rounds he was clearly beating Tito.
How could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
Well Ice when the last time you have seen the fight and i tell you what i do a round by round if i can find the thing still think it clear win for Oscar.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
I'll have to watch this again to be sure... but if I remember correctly, when I've watched this fight before, I usually score it 114-114. Oscar up 6-2 and on his way to an easy decision, then he gives away the last 4 to let Tito get a draw.
For what it's worth, I usually score Oscar-Mosley II a draw as well.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
I had Mosley winning both ODLH fights. ODLH gets so much credit for flurries that don't land, very talented in that respect.
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And he's also very skilled at covering most of his upper body with padding.
I wish so much I could find the picture of Oscar with Mosley after that fight, his protective padding was in his armpits.
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I had DLH-Tito a draw.
Obviously DLH was much more dominant when he was winning rounds (although again he had the flurries that don't land going for him) but that's not the point. It doesn't matter how much Tito did late, he did more than Oscar.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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I had Mosley winning both ODLH fights. ODLH gets so much credit for flurries that don't land, very talented in that respect.
AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!!!!!
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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I had Mosley winning both ODLH fights. ODLH gets so much credit for flurries that don't land, very talented in that respect.
AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!!!!!
And this is why it's important to watch/score controversial Oscar fights with the volume off. Lampley has an orgasm everytime Oscar throws one of those 8 punch flurries where 1 punch lands.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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Well i sure the hell did not and he was robbed should of won the fight with out the last rounds he was clearly beating Tito.
How could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
It was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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Taeth
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ICB
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Mr140
Well i sure the hell did not and he was robbed should of won the fight with out the last rounds he was clearly beating Tito.
How could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
It was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
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You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
I have no problem with fans thinking ODLH won, and i think fans can clearly make a better arguement for ODLH winning. But a robbery ? hell no.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Joi8xTe608
Round 1
begining Trinidad throws some punches, Oscar blocks them all.
2:06ish Oscar lands the first punch in a jab
Trinidad partially lands a jab
1:34 Oscar lands cross flush in a 1,2 combination
Trinidad continues to throw punches for the next minute and maybe lands 1 jab if your being generous
around 0:34-0:33 Oscar throws a five punchish combination and lands a few of them solidly
Trinidad lands a little left hook afterwards
Trinidad lands a jab
So Trinidad lands maybe 4 punches all round, only one hook that doesn't hit cleanly at all, whereas Oscar lands about 5 power punches, and a few jabs as well. He had better ring generalship, He was moving around making Tito not able to set himself, he had better defense seeing as Trinidad threw more punches and landed less, and MOST IMPORTANTLY Oscar landed the harder, cleaner punches.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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ICB
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Taeth
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ICB
How could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
It was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
:lolhaha:
You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
You can shut out trinidad Because he didn't win any of the beginig rounds in My opinion I will go over the 4th and 1st round.
Re: scorecards for DLH - Tito ?
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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ICB
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Taeth
It was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
:lolhaha:
You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
You can shut out trinidad Because he didn't win any of the beginig rounds in My opinion I will go over the 4th and 1st round.
true he didnt win many of the early rounds, it was around 5-2 oscar after 7 imo but from the 8th onwards tito took every round, well oscar threw them away more than anything
