Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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ICB
Way over the top but the fight still should of been stopped atleast, 1 minute before it actually was stopped. Tsurkan was getting a bad beating and he had no chance of winning, and he could of had a long term injury which isn't worth it for pride, because he would of still had his pride anyway even if his corner would have stopped it inbetween rounds. Or the ref stopped it a round or 2 earlier i just think Tsurkan took unnecessary punishment, which he shouldn't of taken had the ref or his corner had done there job properly IMO.
Those are givens... Like I said in my first posts the ref or corner could have stopped it on numerous occasions but that wasn't the point...
The over the top histrionics of Lampley and all the ring death talk made me literally ANGRY!
Should the fight have been stopped? Absolutely. His corner should have stopped it prior cuz Tsurkan was throwing back(to no avail)
But Lampley's SCREAMIN "Go Down!" to the fighter in the ring? C'mon...
fucking ridiculous!
Two different points for me on this one.I do think the fight should have been stopped as Tsurkan was taking unending Punishment down the stretch and I thought Angulo seemed to ease off the tempo in the late rounds.I think that if Angulo Really doubled up the onslaught,he could have forced the stoppage......Or walked in a one in a million sunday punch ??
About Lamp's, Imo.....Lampley is a drama king.Looooooves to hear himself rant & rave like a living comic book and might just be his own biggest fan.He is a hypeman for the network plain & simple and he could have sat there like a quite school boy in the front row and I still would not care for him ;D.The yelling directly to Tsurkan was pointless as all Tsurkan was hearing was what sounded like a train rolling over his head and it suddenly slamming on the brakes :shinner:.Remember Teddy Atlas doing something like this during Nate Campbell vs. Ricky Quiles in the 11 or 12 round but He was yelling directly at the Referee "Stop this fight,Stop the fight dammit".
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
Hey they removed Bunema's trainer for yelling according to Mick, why not boot Lampley?;D That would be hilarious.
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
Alright i did not see the fight but i am going to say this i like all the hbo cast and let me tell you why. They make it entertaining they are not perfect but have you ever seen showtime cast they are just plane boring i can not stand listening to them hbo my be bias at times but we all are.
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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Mr140
Alright i did not see the fight but i am going to say this i like all the hbo cast and let me tell you why. They make it entertaining they are not perfect but have you ever seen showtime cast they are just plane boring i can not stand listening to them hbo my be bias at times but we all are.
Dude... until you see this rediculousness you'll really not be able to comment. ESPN has the best broadcasting(keeps it exciting without the bullshit) HBO is second and Showtime with those dufuses is third
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
agree with showtime the scorecards always be off
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
Lampley is always a bit dramatic for my taste...but a one sided beatdown of a fight for a prolonged period of time not only is it dangerous for health reasons but it gets kind of boring so I guess Lampley was trying to keep some excitement by acting as he did.
The Tsurkan corner did a horrible job of throwing in the towel....you THROW IT you don't wave it.....or you come up on the apron with it to #1 DQ your fighter and #2 Immediately stop the fight
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
The fact that Lampley thought it was cool to scream(not only to the fighter but to the HBO viewing audience) "Go Down!" to a fighter 4 times infuriated me...
Shut the F**K up and comment on the fight... That's your job. The ref, corner and commission worry about the fighter. You're paid to anylize the fight.:rolleyes:
I thought Lampley was especially over the top. It was grating on me, the fight was completely one sided, but the whole death thing was unneccessary. What did he say at one stage? "Give him a birthday present and stop the fight!!". Oh shut up, Lampley! Seriously.
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
I'm going to have to disagree with pretty much everyone here.
I just watched the fight, and that kind of beating can have a very long lasting impact on a person. Tsurkan was taking flush power shots all night. It was clear relatively early on that he had NO chance to win. None, he landed his best shots and Angulo didn't even blink. The ref, ringside doctor, or the corner should have stopped the fight long before it inspired memories of fighters dying in the ring. It wasn't just Lampley either, every member of the HBO team was adamant that the fight should be stopped. Lampley has seen people die in the ring, and for what, pride (no pun intended)? Pride doesn't mean sweet fuck all when you're laying on a steel table in a morgue. Tsurkan took 400 punches, 296 of which were power shots and I didn't see too many glancing blows.
Not that it should matter, it sometimes does unfortunately, but it's not as if Tsurkan was an undefeated fighter or even one that had never been knocked out, speaking from a purely financial standpoint, a stoppage loss wasn't going to really hurt his career.
Hell, I wouldn't have been overly pissed off if Lampley had climbed in the ring to get the fight stopped.
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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CFH
I'm going to have to disagree with pretty much everyone here.
I just watched the fight, and that kind of beating can have a very long lasting impact on a person. Tsurkan was taking flush power shots all night. It was clear relatively early on that he had NO chance to win. None, he landed his best shots and Angulo didn't even blink. The ref, ringside doctor, or the corner should have stopped the fight long before it inspired memories of fighters dying in the ring. It wasn't just Lampley either, every member of the HBO team was adamant that the fight should be stopped. Lampley has seen people die in the ring, and for what, pride (no pun intended)? Pride doesn't mean sweet fuck all when you're laying on a steel table in a morgue. Tsurkan took 400 punches, 296 of which were power shots and I didn't see too many glancing blows.
Not that it should matter, it sometimes does unfortunately, but it's not as if Tsurkan was an undefeated fighter or even one that had never been knocked out, speaking from a purely financial standpoint, a stoppage loss wasn't going to really hurt his career.
Hell, I wouldn't have been overly pissed off if Lampley had climbed in the ring to get the fight stopped.
Good post, nice points. I think there's a lot to be said for the fact that Lampley has seen fighters die in the ring before. This was as brutal a prolonged beating as you really ever need to see before a fight is stopped, he was maybe even thinking along the lines of some pre-emptive damage control. How does it look to the casual fan if a fighter does get seriously hurt in the ring and noone was bringing light to the possibility of this while he was being brutally beaten?
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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p4pking
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CFH
I'm going to have to disagree with pretty much everyone here.
I just watched the fight, and that kind of beating can have a very long lasting impact on a person. Tsurkan was taking flush power shots all night. It was clear relatively early on that he had NO chance to win. None, he landed his best shots and Angulo didn't even blink. The ref, ringside doctor, or the corner should have stopped the fight long before it inspired memories of fighters dying in the ring. It wasn't just Lampley either, every member of the HBO team was adamant that the fight should be stopped. Lampley has seen people die in the ring, and for what, pride (no pun intended)? Pride doesn't mean sweet fuck all when you're laying on a steel table in a morgue. Tsurkan took 400 punches, 296 of which were power shots and I didn't see too many glancing blows.
Not that it should matter, it sometimes does unfortunately, but it's not as if Tsurkan was an undefeated fighter or even one that had never been knocked out, speaking from a purely financial standpoint, a stoppage loss wasn't going to really hurt his career.
Hell, I wouldn't have been overly pissed off if Lampley had climbed in the ring to get the fight stopped.
Good post, nice points. I think there's a lot to be said for the fact that Lampley has seen fighters die in the ring before. This was as brutal a prolonged beating as you really ever need to see before a fight is stopped, he was maybe even thinking along the lines of some pre-emptive damage control. How does it look to the casual fan if a fighter does get seriously hurt in the ring and noone was bringing light to the possibility of this while he was being brutally beaten?
People are missing the point of my post... I wholeheartedly agreed and said that the fight could have been stopped anytime in the last two rounds...
Lanpley was over the top and the ringdeath talk was helping no one... I think it's safe to say that MOST of us have seen fights where people have died/gone into comas/brain bleeds ect. This is boxing...
His corner should have stopped the fight but Lampley loses it and looks like a dick all the time and please... All the ominous ringdeath talk was just rediculous... I've seen fights where guys have been beaten down as bad if not worse then that...
The entire last two rounds is purely on his corner's shoulders as they should be quicker to pull the trigger then the ref. But Lampley legit yelling "GO DOWN! GO DOWN!" to a fighter in the ring... unnecessary!
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Anybody else get angry with the fact that Lampley was screaming(not once... not twice... not three times but four) "Go Down! Go Down! Go Down! Go Down!" to Tsurkan in closing moments of the fight and the fact that the HBO commentators kept bringing up Ring Death during this bout... I mean Tsurkan was taking a beating and yeah the ref had many chances to stop the bout but Lampley REALLY PISSED ME OFF... Commentate the fight and leave your shit at the door. I got so angry with the HBO team during this bout!:mad:
It was ridicilious. Tsurkan is a really tough guy and known for being so fucking tough. He was fighting back, not just eating punch after punch. I don't feel the fight should have been stopped until it was.
Lampley and HBO were just being spoiled brats, and were bored of watching the fight, and so they wanted it stopped. Just like the first one.
They are fighters, WARRIORS, they fight. Thats what they do. If pussies like Lampley were around back in Jake Lamotta's day, he never woulda won a fight. Or least not a significant one.
Let them FIGHT!
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
The fact that Lampley thought it was cool to scream(not only to the fighter but to the HBO viewing audience) "Go Down!" to a fighter 4 times infuriated me...
Shut the F**K up and comment on the fight... That's your job. The ref, corner and commission worry about the fighter. You're paid to anylize the fight.:rolleyes:
Thats just the problem Tsurkan's corner did NOT take care of their fighter. They kept pushing him back in knowing he had no chance of winning. If that had been one of our fighters he wouldnt have come out for round 7.
As for the referee all he was was a voyeur dancing round the ring like a ghost. He did nothing to officiate he was a disgrace also.
I dont particularly like Lampley. For me he's too much of a cheerleader for the HBO fighters but in this case he showed genuine concern for a fighter when no one else seemed to care. Thank God Tsurkan seems to be OK
Re: Alright... In regards to the Tsurkan Angulo bout. This didn't piss anyone else
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Hulk
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Anybody else get angry with the fact that Lampley was screaming(not once... not twice... not three times but four) "Go Down! Go Down! Go Down! Go Down!" to Tsurkan in closing moments of the fight and the fact that the HBO commentators kept bringing up Ring Death during this bout... I mean Tsurkan was taking a beating and yeah the ref had many chances to stop the bout but Lampley REALLY PISSED ME OFF... Commentate the fight and leave your shit at the door. I got so angry with the HBO team during this bout!:mad:
It was ridicilious. Tsurkan is a really tough guy and known for being so fucking tough. He was fighting back, not just eating punch after punch. I don't feel the fight should have been stopped until it was.
Lampley and HBO were just being spoiled brats, and were bored of watching the fight, and so they wanted it stopped. Just like the first one.
They are fighters, WARRIORS, they fight. Thats what they do. If pussies like Lampley were around back in Jake Lamotta's day, he never woulda won a fight. Or least not a significant one.
Let them FIGHT!
This wasnt a competitive fight it was purely a systematic BEATING
The corner and the referee were disgusting
