On paper it looks dreadful
Guy 1: Had one fight at Lightweight vs mediocre titlist.
Guy 2: fights at Light Middle former ring champion at the weight.
Hope Paquaio wins so we can see Pac-man vs Hatton.
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On paper it looks dreadful
Guy 1: Had one fight at Lightweight vs mediocre titlist.
Guy 2: fights at Light Middle former ring champion at the weight.
Hope Paquaio wins so we can see Pac-man vs Hatton.
I have no problems with fighters making as much money as they can...especially in such a brutal and exploitative sport like boxing. BUT, there is a point where a fight enters a circus/joke level. Pac has plenty of money and he can make plenty more fighting guys at his own division. There are certain fighters(and i know ALL fighters want to make money) that almost always take on the best fights available. Pac was certainly one of those fighters and you can even say Oscar was as well. But it gets to a point where you are disrespecting the intelligence of fight fans and the blantant money factor overides everything else. So maybe i am coming from a purists point of view, where i don't need to see ridiculous match ups that reek of just making $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Ya, and what about that is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
It's called "prizefighting" for a reason. These guys put their life on the line everytime they step in the ring. Pacquiao has every right to want to make the biggest payday of his life. That is, after all, why these guys fight: to make money. They don't fight just for the fun of it.
I know which pictures you are talking about. He's going to overreach to try to land anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
That's Manny' style. He has been like. He overreaches that's why he seems to have a bad balance. he has been winning with that style and I don't see any problem with that.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12I know which pictures you are talking about. He's going to overreach to try to land anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Where did you see the footage?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
You know one aspect of Oscar that I often forget these days, but it simply can't be counted out.. And that he's a money hungry businessman, and I absolutely truly with all my heart, believe that it could not be put past him to (quote me on this) "go easy" on Pac to make it a close fight, and warrant a second giant money spinning Manny Oscar fight...
I know it sound stupid,,,, but I've got a big feeling that at the end of this fight, regardless of how it turns out, a LOT of people are going to be pointing out that Oscar clearly did not fight to his potential. Did not let his hands go. Did not take advantage of opportunities, held to much, and could be perceived as going easy on Pac when he could be knocking his block off..
No one may agree, but I am going on record right here with this prediction.... Oscar will be a shadow of anything we believe to be his full potential, either because of his age, or more than likely, because of his mindset being more about business these days than the fighter that he once was...
I agree Diz its a show, Im not buying in,Ill read about it later and get a copy if it does go off.
Well I consider myself an intelligent fight fan and I don't feel disrespected at all. While Pacquiao is an underdog, he's a live dog with a legit shot at winning. For example, I give Pac a much better shot against Oscar than I gave Hatton against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinI have no problems with fighters making as much money as they can...especially in such a brutal and exploitative sport like boxing. BUT, there is a point where a fight enters a circus/joke level. Pac has plenty of money and he can make plenty more fighting guys at his own division. There are certain fighters(and i know ALL fighters want to make money) that almost always take on the best fights available. Pac was certainly one of those fighters and you can even say Oscar was as well. But it gets to a point where you are disrespecting the intelligence of fight fans and the blantant money factor overides everything else. So maybe i am coming from a purists point of view, where i don't need to see ridiculous match ups that reek of just making $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaYa, and what about that is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
It's called "prizefighting" for a reason. These guys put their life on the line everytime they step in the ring. Pacquiao has every right to want to make the biggest payday of his life. That is, after all, why these guys fight: to make money. They don't fight just for the fun of it.
Is that because of Pac's potential performance, or Oscars? And in the other case, was that because of Hatton's Potential performance or Floyds?Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaWell I consider myself an intelligent fight fan and I don't feel disrespected at all. While Pacquiao is an underdog, he's a live dog with a legit shot at winning. For example, I give Pac a much better shot against Oscar than I gave Hatton against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinI have no problems with fighters making as much money as they can...especially in such a brutal and exploitative sport like boxing. BUT, there is a point where a fight enters a circus/joke level. Pac has plenty of money and he can make plenty more fighting guys at his own division. There are certain fighters(and i know ALL fighters want to make money) that almost always take on the best fights available. Pac was certainly one of those fighters and you can even say Oscar was as well. But it gets to a point where you are disrespecting the intelligence of fight fans and the blantant money factor overides everything else. So maybe i am coming from a purists point of view, where i don't need to see ridiculous match ups that reek of just making $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I really gave Hatton an (unintelligent) shot, but if there was anything to lean me towards Floyd, it was that he as the potential to be unstoppable on any given night..
Who knows how Oscar is going to be on the day.. That is the real wildcard. We know what Pac is going to bring to the table, and that is the main thing that makes this fight legit.. Plus Oscar could be anywhere on the scale which add's a small part of legitimacy to this matchup.. I think though, that is a part of why fight fans are unhappy with this fight... Oscar on his A+ game that he has been capable of in the past would beat Pac 10 times out of 10 and I don't think anyone has argument against that... The fact we have to see Oscar competing no where near his former greatness to have this fight be a cracker, means there isn't many ways you can look at it without considering it a B grade matchup..
If you look at it as entertainment though I will enjoy watching these 2 guys face to face in the ring.. But I don't put it up there with a lot of the other less lustrous matchups out there that are all about 2 guys fighting for everything there is to be fought for in boxing... There is so much less substance to this Pac Oscar fight than it takes to get me excited... It could still be enjoyable though.
everyones been talking bout how pac would bomb oscar with body shots.they seem to forget oscars best punch is the left hook.a converted southpaw.and pac as we all know is a lefty which means his lead foot is the right making that left hook to the liver more inviting.and yes,everyone seems to be vulnerable on that spot.even pac i guess.he shud start teaching himself to stuck an elbow in there.i guess :p
All of the above, I guess. I gave Hatton no more than a 5-10% chance of beating Floyd. I give Pacquiao a better chance than that against Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
I think this is very fair and an accurate statement. Don't disagree at all. However, there is a big difference between calling it a B-grade matchup as opposed to referring to it as a circus fight that is disrespectful to all intelligent boxing fans. It's people who are saying the latter that I don't agree with.Quote:
The fact we have to see Oscar competing no where near his former greatness to have this fight be a cracker, means there isn't many ways you can look at it without considering it a B grade matchup.
Good Points.. I don't at all think the fight is going to be an embarrassment or anything.. Pac is a world class boxer and when he's in the ring will give 110 % and will make this fight good.. And Oscar has to compete with a guy who has every intention of taking it up to him, and taking the glory away from him if he has any say in it at all.... There are matchups that seem completely fair that end in under 2 rounds with a KO... Pac will give us our money's worth for sure in any respect..Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaAll of the above, I guess. I gave Hatton no more than a 5-10% chance of beating Floyd. I give Pacquiao a better chance than that against Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
I think this is very fair and an accurate statement. Don't disagree at all. However, there is a big difference between calling it a B-grade matchup as opposed to referring to it as a circus fight that is disrespectful to all intelligent boxing fans. It's people who are saying the latter that I don't agree with.Quote:
The fact we have to see Oscar competing no where near his former greatness to have this fight be a cracker, means there isn't many ways you can look at it without considering it a B grade matchup.
I know what you mean, pretty much nothing could surprise me in the sport of boxing any more ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I watched Mosley/ODLH 1 last night for the first time in years, and since Oscar is a shadow of what he was then I give Pac a shot, but he's still a heavy underdog as he's way smaller than Shane even. He needs to get in and out fast and not mix it up at all in the first half, just wait for Oscar to tire.
Like Diz says, even if the size difference looks ridicilous on fight night, Oscar will not go nuts to take him out the first round other wise he''ll prove the whole event is a sham (which it is), maybe it's possible for Oscar to drag it out long enough to get himself tired enough so Pac has a chance.
Complete mismatch. This will be a replay of Oscar vs B-Hop. Only this time Oscar is B-Hop. Oscar has the reach, the size, Pacquiao is going to have to dart in and out all night long only problem is he has to do it now to a guy who's 5'10 and isn't that slow. If Oscar hasn't slowed too much he will get a KO.
Well i guess we just disagree about what is a "B-grade matchup" and what is a joke of a fight. By joke...do i mean Pac will look like an amatuer against Oscar...no. But the weight and size difference, along with he FACT that both these fighters have much more relevant and exciting fights to deal with (fights in which they will get plent of money and exposure for)...does make this fight a joke and circus for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaAll of the above, I guess. I gave Hatton no more than a 5-10% chance of beating Floyd. I give Pacquiao a better chance than that against Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
I think this is very fair and an accurate statement. Don't disagree at all. However, there is a big difference between calling it a B-grade matchup as opposed to referring to it as a circus fight that is disrespectful to all intelligent boxing fans. It's people who are saying the latter that I don't agree with.Quote:
The fact we have to see Oscar competing no where near his former greatness to have this fight be a cracker, means there isn't many ways you can look at it without considering it a B grade matchup.