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Holyfeild was 40 years old he had some years on Toney and alot more wars then Toney not to mention Holyfeild hart condition. What ever was left of Holyfeild was gone after Lewis fights he was done even before then Holyfeild had a tough career and it showed in the later half. He was one of my favorite fighters but he should of called it a long time ago he is to old and he was to old when he fought Toney sad part is Holyfeild still fighting now which i dont get at all.
I'll have to call you crazy on this one bro, this would be a ridiculous fight IMO. And i have no idea how Bernard Hopkins would be able to get above 200 pounds, and James Toney well lets be honest the last time he was in shape was when he fought Evander Holyfield.
Speaking of which JT i see you talking about Evander Holyfield vs James Toney, i also believe a prime James Toney would give a prime Evander Holyfield fits aswell, can you imagine them going at it prime for prime at Cruiserweight ? wow thats one of my dream match ups, along with James Toney vs Bernard Hopkins at Middleweight/Super Middleweight.
Honestly its a pikem Evander has all the heart but James would fight beyond all the limitations, crazy to think these to just missed each other by a few years... Moorer gave him all the trouble 2 x bar when holy Knocked him down, albeit moorer was a south paw james had all the tangibles and intangibles as well as the toughness and ability to swim in the deep waters with Evander... Toney is an enigma to me and one of the greatest, want to see him leave on a high note... Love me some David Haye, but Toney would spoil him all day perfecyt retirement fight to go out on a high note....Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
There will never be another like James Toney and Bernard Hopkins
Would Toney have a bat or something? Because if not then there is no way Wlad let's James in punching range and even if he did what the hell would James do?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Wlad would have beaten that fat bastard up for 12 rounds NEVER LOSING ONE
and you're a fool to think otherwise....where's Toney now? James Toney couldn't even beat SAM PETER!!!!!
James Toney = Floyd MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHonestly its a pikem Evander has all the heart but James would fight beyond all the limitations, crazy to think these to just missed each other by a few years... Moorer gave him all the trouble 2 x bar when holy Knocked him down, albeit moorer was a south paw james had all the tangibles and intangibles as well as the toughness and ability to swim in the deep waters with Evander... Toney is an enigma to me and one of the greatest, want to see him leave on a high note... Love me some David Haye, but Toney would spoil him all day perfecyt retirement fight to go out on a high note....Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
There will never be another like James Toney and Bernard Hopkins
If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.
Prime Holyfield would out work and out muscle Toney to a ud Evander i fell had way better stamina and at cruiser weight had alot of power.
If James Toney was Floyd Mayweather Jr then where is Floyd's Montell Griffin??? Where is Floyd's Drake Thazdi???
James Toney as great of a fighter as he was/is his style (especially on defense) is better suited to fight guys who throw hooks and naturally open themselves up to counters as opposed to the guys who throw jabs and crosses effectively.
To me Evander was one of the best pound for pound fighters to ever lace up the gloves you talk about Jones, Hopkins and Mayweather but to me Holyfeild was even better when it came pound for pound. Now i know everyone while disagree with me which is fine i dont mind. But Holyfeild when he was younger was fast, good boxer, he could make Hopkins look like a clean fighter when he roughed guys up, most heart i have ever seen and i chin that could stand up to anything truly special. The man started his career at 175 and ended up a all time great heavyweight winning the titles more then Ali or anyone else ever did. Beating guys weighing more then 30 pounds above him some fighter he fought were almost 100 pounds heavier then his starting weight to me Holyfeild was something special.
;D Good one here.Prime for prime at Middle will go down as one of those Fantasy what if fights that just never came off.Really two of the finest technical thinking & skilled fighters over the last couple of decades.Hopkins at middle up until a number of years ago showed a busier work rate and an instinct to pressure/speed/power & chin and finish guys.Toney likes to dictate pace in his controlled manner,could be out hustled and had a bad knack for laying back for durations of a round,could be his own worst enemy at times.Two of my all time favs,hands down,But I have to go with Hopkins over 12 in a thin dec.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Now if your talking today....leave your shoe laces and belt at the door before they put you into the rubber room JT.....your nuttier than a box of peanut brittle ;D;D;)
Did you read what i said ? i said James Toney if he trained like Floyd Mayweather, could of been like Floyd Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
If Wlad had the chin of Muhamed Ali he'd be the best heavyweight ever
I certainly don't think Evander Holyfield is at RJJ, Hopkins, Mayweather's level. Evander Holyfield was a great fighter but your overrating him IMO, he lost in his prime to Riddick Bowe. And was hurt badly by lesser fighters like Bert Cooper, Alex Stewart, Michael Dokes, in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
When did you see Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ, in any trouble in there prime ? Hopkins was only ever in danger once when he didn't get climatized to the high altitude against Segundo Mercado. Other than that he was never in any danger, neither were Floyd Mayweather or RJJ in there prime.
Im not dissing Evander Holyfield i have great respect for him as fighter, and he actually got me into boxing because the first fight i ever saw. Was Holyfield vs Tyson 1, but i certainly don't think he is greater than the fighter's above, and this may cause some controversy. But i think he is a level below the fighters above aswell IMO.
He would still have those suspect stamina problems Lyle, remember he loss to Ross Purity was because of his stamina not because of his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
To be fair Holfield fighting Bowe and Lewis is like Mayweather fighting Halger or Monzon when you look at the size difference and to be clear i dont think that PBF would beat either of them to say the least. He looked human because the guys he was fighting were alot bigger then him most of the time and think he faced alot better competion lets not forget he fought in the one of the best era of Heavyweights but i see your point.
Like Hopkins he stayed in a divsion were he was bigger then most and never moved up till later and Jones competion was not much better. Mayweather was great at SFW and LW but after that besides Oscar did not fight the tough fights he could of in the other divsion. IF Holyfeild stayed at Cruiser weight were he was dominate like no other he proably would not have lost but he has faced and beat just as good as guys if not better then all the fighter i mentioned and that is all i got to say.