Re: Joe Calzaghe under the micoscope
here is RJJ fight career from 1993
1993
Feb. 13 -- Glenn Wolfe, Las Vegas, Nevada, KO 1
May 22 -- Bernard Hopkins, Washington D.C, W 12
(Captured IBF middleweight title)
Aug. 14 -- Thulane Malinga, St. Louis Bay, Mississippi, KO 6
Nov. 30 -- Fermin Chirino, Pensacola, Florida, W 10
1994
Mar. 22 -- Daniel Garcia, Pensacola, Florida, KO 6
May 27 -- Thomas Tate, Las Vegas, Nevada, KO 2
(Retained IBF middleweight title)
Nov. 18 -- James Toney, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Captured IBF super middleweight title)
1995
Mar. 18 -- Antoine Byrd, Pensacola, Florida, TKO 1
(Retained IBF super middleweight title)
June 24 -- Vinny Pazienza, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 6
(Retained IBF super middleweight title)
Sep. 30 -- Tony Thornton, Pensacola, Florida, TKO 2
(Retained IBF super middleweight title)
1996
Jan. 12 -- Merqui Sosa, New York City, TKO 2
June 15 -- Eric Lucas, Jacksonville, Florida, KO 11
(Retained IBF super middleweight title)
Oct. 4 -- Bryant Brannon, New York City, KO 2
(Retained IBF super middleweight title)
Nov. 22 -- Mike McCallum, Tampa, Florida, W 12
(Won interim WBC light heavyweight title)
1997
Mar. 21 -- Montell Griffin, Atlantic City, New Jersey, L DQ 9
(Lost WBC light heavyweight title)
Aug. 21 -- Montell Griffin, Ledyard, Connecticut, KO 1
(Regained WBC light heavyweight title)
1998
Apr. 25 -- Virgil Hill, Biloxi,Mississippi, KO 4
July 18 -- Lou Del Valle, New York, W 12
(Unified WBC and WBA light heavyweight titles)
Nov. 14 -- Otis Grant, Mashantucket, Connecticut, TKO 10
(Retained WBC and WBA light heavyweight titles)
1999
Jan. 9 -- Rick Frazier, Pensacola, Florida, KO 2
(Retained WBC and WBA light heavyweight titles)
June 5 -- Reggie Johnson, Biloxi, Mississippi, W 12
(Unifies WBA-WBC-IBF light heavyweight titles)
2000
Jan. 15 -- David Telesco, New York City, W 12
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
May 13 -- Richard Hall, Indianapolis, Indiana, TKO 11
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
Sept. 9 -- Eric Harding, New Orleans, Louisiana, TKO 10
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
2001
Feb. 24 -- Derrick Harmon, Tampa, Florida, TKO 10
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
July 28 -- Julio Gonzalez, Los Angeles, California, W 12
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
2002
Feb. 2 -- Glenn Kelly, Miami, Florida, TKO 7
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
Sept. 7 -- Clinton Woods, Portland, Oregon, TKO 6
(Retained unified light heavyweight title)
2003
March 1 -- John Ruiz, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Captured WBA heavyweight title)
Nov. 8 -- Antonio Tarver, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
(Captured WBC light heavyweight title)
2004
May 15 -- Antonio Tarver, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO by 2
(Lost WBC light heavyweight title)
(Lost WBA light heavyweight title)
Sept. 25 -- Glengoffe Johnson, Memphis, TN, KO by 9
(For IBF Light Heavyweight Title)
2005
Oct. 1 -- Antonio Tarver, Tampa, FL, L 12 *RECAP*
2006
July 29 -- Prince Badi Ajamu, Boise, Idaho, W 12 *RECAP*
2007
07-14 -- Anthony Hanshaw, Biloxi, MS, W 12
2008
Jan. 19 -- Felix Trinidad, New York, NY, W 12 *RECAP*
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Re: Joe Calzaghe under the micoscope
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leftylee
I totally agree Al. Calzaghe's resume is full of grandads, bums and mere contenders. Serioulsey the only decent name that stands out is Kessler. Even that was in his backyard. Half the names on his resume I don't know who the fukk they are. Mger Mkratchian ? LOL. Pure comical. I guess beating a complete washed up RJJ completes his utter fantastic resume :rolleyes:
Well sadly proven legends like Urango, Maussa, Collazo, McGee and Thaxton don't compete in the supermiddleweight division.
One of the grandads didn't too badly last week against the world's greatest middleweight and Poppa Jones is only 3 years older than Calzaghe.
You can hardly say that Jones has been in many ring wars either, they guy has only been hit twice in his career both times knocked out.
I'm fed up with people trying to discredit Joe Calzaghe, his resume is outstanding, he's the only fighter currently fighting who has gone through his entire career, compltely uinfying a division and owning everybody in the process without a single defeat.
He's the second best fighter in the world right now and the best fighter Britain has ever produced.
Your speaking like your Welsh. Calzaghe's resume is far from great.
And those 4 fighters off Hatton's resume: 3 were world champions and one's an EBU champion. Hatton fought and beat the 4.
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I totally agree Al. Calzaghe's resume is full of grandads, bums and mere contenders. Serioulsey the only decent name that stands out is Kessler. Even that was in his backyard. Half the names on his resume I don't know who the fukk they are. Mger Mkratchian? LOL. Pure comical. I guess beating a complete washed up RJJ completes his utter fantastic resume :rolleyes:
Decent fighter. Won the European title after Calzaghe beat him.
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It's funny because Jones resume in terms of actual fighters is barely more impressive than Joe's
He beat Hopkins, but a green Hopkins who hadn't fully matured into the wiley fox he would later become. I don't believe that the Hopkins that Jones beat was better than the Hopkins that Calzaghe beat even in spite of the advancing years.
James Toney we all know the stories about the massive amount of weight he had to lose. Plus back then Toney wasn't the slick awkward fighter he was in higher weight classes. Michael Nunn outboxed him easily early as well. Toney really improved in terms of skills as he got older and anyway was much better suited at the higher weights.
Mike McCallum was a decent win but he was 40 and coming off a loss. Definitely at the end of his career, no better a win than Eubank certainly.
Then who else?
Clinton Woods, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, decent fighters but not world beaters.
John Ruiz? Well it was a big achievement moving up to heavyweight to beat him but Ruix is derided as being universally recognised as one of the worst heavyweight champs ever.
Then Tarver who KO'd Jones and Glen Johnson who also Ko'd him.
If you just look at opponents you can make a case against any fighter.
Calzaghe's record is superb, if he beats Jones he has to first ballot hall of famers on his record, a great champ in Chris Eubank plus two highly rated undefeated, prime world champs in Kessler and Lacy.
He's proven himself, he's an all time great.
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leftylee
I totally agree Al. Calzaghe's resume is full of grandads, bums and mere contenders. Serioulsey the only decent name that stands out is Kessler. Even that was in his backyard. Half the names on his resume I don't know who the fukk they are. Mger Mkratchian? LOL. Pure comical. I guess beating a complete washed up RJJ completes his utter fantastic resume :rolleyes:
Decent fighter. Won the European title after Calzaghe beat him.
Boxrec certainly does come in handy for Calzaghe fans.
Re: Joe Calzaghe under the micoscope
Some of Calzaghe's defences have been against soft fighters but over years there hasnt been that many good fighters at SM and what few there have been Calzaghe has fought and beat them all.
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Bilbo
It's funny because Jones resume in terms of actual fighters is barely more impressive than Joe's
He beat Hopkins, but a green Hopkins who hadn't fully matured into the wiley fox he would later become. I don't believe that the Hopkins that Jones beat was better than the Hopkins that Calzaghe beat even in spite of the advancing years.
James Toney we all know the stories about the massive amount of weight he had to lose. Plus back then Toney wasn't the slick awkward fighter he was in higher weight classes. Michael Nunn outboxed him easily early as well. Toney really improved in terms of skills as he got older and anyway was much better suited at the higher weights.
Mike McCallum was a decent win but he was 40 and coming off a loss. Definitely at the end of his career, no better a win than Eubank certainly.
Then who else?
Clinton Woods, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, decent fighters but not world beaters.
John Ruiz? Well it was a big achievement moving up to heavyweight to beat him but Ruix is derided as being universally recognised as one of the worst heavyweight champs ever.
Then Tarver who KO'd Jones and Glen Johnson who also Ko'd him.
If you just look at opponents you can make a case against any fighter.
Calzaghe's record is superb, if he beats Jones he has to first ballot hall of famers on his record, a great champ in Chris Eubank plus two highly rated undefeated, prime world champs in Kessler and Lacy.
He's proven himself, he's an all time great.
RJJ was just as green as Bernard Hopkins Bilbo he had less fights than Hopkins, so that excuse works both ways does it not ?
James Toney fought amazing fight against Michael Nunn what are you talking about Bilbo ? Michael Nunn had the early advantage, but James Toney caught up with him and won all of the later rounds with great boxing skills, and knocked him out impressively, and Michael Nunn was a top 10 P4P fighter at that time with tons of good wins.
James Toney had also fought great fights against Iran Barkey, Doug De Witt, Mike McCallum 1, arguably his best performances of his career so i have no idea what your talking about to be honest Bilbo, James Toney was clearly better at Middleweight/Super Middleweight and all of these fights were before the RJJ fight. And James Toney was a P4P top 3 fighter when RJJ beat him, and James Toney always had weight problems.
Mike McCallum was 39 years old and after he lost to RJJ, he went on to give James Toney a very good argument. Which showed he still had alot left in the tank.
And Bilbo what about Thulani Malinga ? RJJ destroyed him and Thulani Malinga was unlucky not to beat Chris Eubank, And Thulani Malinga beat Nigel Benn and was also unlucky not to 2 wins over Nigel Benn. And plus heres the best part Bilbo, a 40+ Thulani Maglina outboxed and beat Robin Reid before Joe Calzaghe did it and beat him much more convincing aswell.
Plus RJJ has good wins over.
Virgil Hill
Jorge Fernando Castro
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Montel Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Thomas Tate
ETC.
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leftylee
I totally agree Al. Calzaghe's resume is full of grandads, bums and mere contenders. Serioulsey the only decent name that stands out is Kessler. Even that was in his backyard. Half the names on his resume I don't know who the fukk they are. Mger Mkratchian? LOL. Pure comical. I guess beating a complete washed up RJJ completes his utter fantastic resume :rolleyes:
Decent fighter. Won the European title after Calzaghe beat him.
Boxrec certainly does come in handy for Calzaghe fans.
Boxrec comes in handy for all boxing fans. Without Boxrec we would struggle to run the prediction contest, Killersheeps sportsbook, keep track of current and past results and finally how do you think Dark Lord Al (self addmitted Calzaghe hater) made this thread? Without the aid of boxrec? ;)
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Bilbo i just laughed my ass off when i see you said Virgil Hill is no world beater. He has 21 world title defenses combined at Light Heavyweight which is the record or close to it are you serious ?
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Fenster
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leftylee
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Fenster
Decent fighter. Won the European title after Calzaghe beat him.
Boxrec certainly does come in handy for Calzaghe fans.
Boxrec comes in handy for all boxing fans. Without Boxrec we would struggle to run the prediction contest, Killersheeps sportsbook, keep track of current and past results and finally how do you think Dark Lord Al (self addmitted Calzaghe hater) made this thread? Without the aid of boxrec? ;)
Agreed, boxrec is as essential a tool for internet boxing fans as a coathanger is to a scouse teenager for shopping
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leftylee
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Bilbo
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leftylee
I totally agree Al. Calzaghe's resume is full of grandads, bums and mere contenders. Serioulsey the only decent name that stands out is Kessler. Even that was in his backyard. Half the names on his resume I don't know who the fukk they are. Mger Mkratchian ? LOL. Pure comical. I guess beating a complete washed up RJJ completes his utter fantastic resume :rolleyes:
Well sadly proven legends like Urango, Maussa, Collazo, McGee and Thaxton don't compete in the supermiddleweight division.
One of the grandads didn't too badly last week against the world's greatest middleweight and Poppa Jones is only 3 years older than Calzaghe.
You can hardly say that Jones has been in many ring wars either, they guy has only been hit twice in his career both times knocked out.
I'm fed up with people trying to discredit Joe Calzaghe, his resume is outstanding, he's the only fighter currently fighting who has gone through his entire career, compltely uinfying a division and owning everybody in the process without a single defeat.
He's the second best fighter in the world right now and the best fighter Britain has ever produced.
Your speaking like your Welsh. Calzaghe's resume is far from great.
And those 4 fighters off Hatton's resume: 3 were world champions and one's an EBU champion. Hatton fought and beat the 4.
Kessler was in Calzaghe's backyard but where did Hatton fight Tszyu?
fair enough that u think Calzaghes overrated but he's accomplished alot more than Hatton...
Re: Joe Calzaghe under the micoscope
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Bilbo
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Fenster
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leftylee
Boxrec certainly does come in handy for Calzaghe fans.
Boxrec comes in handy for all boxing fans. Without Boxrec we would struggle to run the prediction contest, Killersheeps sportsbook, keep track of current and past results and finally how do you think Dark Lord Al (self addmitted Calzaghe hater) made this thread? Without the aid of boxrec? ;)
Agreed, boxrec is as essential a tool for internet boxing fans as a coathanger is to a scouse teenager for shopping
It's also a good tool for lazy people who contribute nothing to society who can't be bothered to get a job and do fukk all with their boring lives.
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ICB
Bilbo i just laughed my ass off when i see you said Virgil Hill is no world beater. He has 21 world title defenses combined at Light Heavyweight which is the record or close to it are you serious ?
Joe Calzaghe made 21 CONSECUTIVE title defenses which IS the record at supermiddle weight and the second most defenses in history yet you don't think he's a world beater. :rolleyes:
You laugh at me for thinking Virgil is not an all time great, but Calzaghe's record is even better and yet you don't rate him? :confused:
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leftylee
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Fenster
Boxrec comes in handy for all boxing fans. Without Boxrec we would struggle to run the prediction contest, Killersheeps sportsbook, keep track of current and past results and finally how do you think Dark Lord Al (self addmitted Calzaghe hater) made this thread? Without the aid of boxrec? ;)
Agreed, boxrec is as essential a tool for internet boxing fans as a coathanger is to a scouse teenager for shopping
It's also a good tool for lazy people who contribute nothing to society who can't be bothered to get a job and do fukk all with their boring lives.
Nope the state gives me money so I have no need for a coat hanger ;)
Re: Joe Calzaghe under the micoscope
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Bilbo
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ICB
Bilbo i just laughed my ass off when i see you said Virgil Hill is no world beater. He has 21 world title defenses combined at Light Heavyweight which is the record or close to it are you serious ?
Joe Calzaghe made 21 CONSECUTIVE title defenses which IS the record at supermiddle weight and the second most defenses in history yet you don't think he's a world beater. :rolleyes:
You laugh at me for thinking Virgil is not an all time great, but Calzaghe's record is even better and yet you don't rate him? :confused:
Not what i was saying at all Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than Virgil Hill, i never said that and i never said i didn't rate Joe Calzaghe. And where did i say Joe Calzaghe isn't world beater ? why would i say that ? that would be ridiculous if i did say that, i just think his record has many question marks. The problem i had with your comment is right here in bold.
Clinton Woods, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, decent fighters but not world beaters.
How in the world is Virgil Hill just a decent fighter and not a world beater, when he has 21 world title defenses combined, and also holds many other records aswell ?
And also reply to my other comment aswell above.
