Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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hfahrenheit
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Danny_G
Since it was the UK who began the slave trade in the 16th century, how were blacks treated after their so called freedom in the 1800's? And did the British go about treating blacks like we did here in the US as late as the 1960's?
WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
[
History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
Since it was the UK who began the slave trade in the 16th century, how were blacks treated after their so called freedom in the 1800's? And did the British go about treating blacks like we did here in the US as late as the 1960's?
WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
[
History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
Britain got rid of a bunch of nuts who thought they were god's chosen people who went to America and unfortunately instilled a distilled WASPy character into early America that continues to this day. Good for business but unpleasant for anybody on the end of it. The Dutch did the same thing 150 years ago, giving a bunch of fuckers that thought they were god's chosen ones a free one-way cruise to the other end of the world. It didn't work out too well for the indigenous peoples of South Africa but it made Holland the country it is today.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
Since it was the UK who began the slave trade in the 16th century, how were blacks treated after their so called freedom in the 1800's? And did the British go about treating blacks like we did here in the US as late as the 1960's?
WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
[
History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
They were legally allowed to kill, mutilate, and mercilessly beat slaves, they also permanently separated families as punishment (being "sold down the river"), work them to death etc. They were traded as commodities and treated worse than animals. etc, etc etc.
Best treated in history :rolleyes:. There is no "beat treated" regarding slavery, though I suppose a case could be made that some Native groups treated their slaves with a good deal of kindness.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
[
History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Come now,youve seen a white couple cross the street when they see a black man, youve had a white friend tell this harrowing tale of how he ended up in a black neighborhood by accident.
Now considering the power structure of this country, and considering those very same pre-dispositions. When an African-American applies for a job, what do you think is going to happen?
Ive lived in predominantly African American communities, and even for those years when I heavily used drugs.
Even in their own neighborhood, if it was me and him, I knew I had the job.
We've come a long way,heck I have too, but dont fool yourself that we've come all the way
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Come now,youve seen a white couple cross the street when they see a black man, youve had a white friend tell this harrowing tale of how he ended up in a black neighborhood by accident.
Now considering the power structure of this country, and considering those very same pre-dispositions. When an African-American applies for a job, what do you think is going to happen?
Ive lived in predominantly African American communities, and even for those years when I heavily used drugs.
Even in their own neighborhood, if it was me and him, I knew I had the job.
We've come a long way,heck I have too, but dont fool yourself that we've come all the way
I would be very surprised in the uk to see a white couple cross the street just because they saw a black man
unless it was a bad area and or the black man looked dodgy (poor, on drugs hood up scarf wrapped up) the same rule would apply to white man
as for a harrowing tale of ending up in a black neighbour hood I don't think that's racist, there is a large black neighbour hood near me if I was to walk through there at night I could probably give you a harrowing tale, its a fucking shit hole and most of the gangs who hang around there would mug anyone who walked through at night by themselves.
However this is also true of the predominately white estate a few miles down the road I see this as more of a poverty issue and the insular nature of poor neighbourhoods or estates a stranger sticks out a mile and is made to feel nervous
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Come now,youve seen a white couple cross the street when they see a black man, youve had a white friend tell this harrowing tale of how he ended up in a black neighborhood by accident.
Now considering the power structure of this country, and considering those very same pre-dispositions. When an African-American applies for a job, what do you think is going to happen?
Ive lived in predominantly African American communities, and even for those years when I heavily used drugs.
Even in their own neighborhood, if it was me and him, I knew I had the job.
We've come a long way,heck I have too, but dont fool yourself that we've come all the way
my mate is from uganda and moved here when he was 10yrs old, he has gotten all the decent jobs and been promoted without trying, he says its cos he is black. he is in forensics with no qualifications in that field. he says he makes the most of it
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
Since it was the UK who began the slave trade in the 16th century, how were blacks treated after their so called freedom in the 1800's? And did the British go about treating blacks like we did here in the US as late as the 1960's?
WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
[
History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
They were legally allowed to kill, mutilate, and mercilessly beat slaves, they also permanently separated families as punishment (being "sold down the river"), work them to death etc. They were traded as commodities and treated worse than animals. etc, etc etc.
Best treated in history :rolleyes:. There is no "beat treated" regarding slavery, though I suppose a case could be made that some Native groups treated their slaves with a good deal of kindness.
Yeah, I didn't mean to sound like I assigned any humanity to their treatment, because I don't. But, it doesn't matter what details you bring, i.e. killing, mutilating, etc... it's all been done before (and currently happening in Sudan and Indonesia), and nothing that was done to them was unique. Perhaps "best treated" is the wrong way of putting it, what I really mean to say is that they had the best standard of living of any slaves in history, not because of any good will on part of their captors, but just because of the time period.
To your point about Natives, you're partially correct. Natives primarily would kill the men and take the women and children into their societies- that's actually assimilation. Google Mary Rowlandson.
Even with the Jews, who are the most picked on ethnic group in history, the phrase, "there's nothing new under the sun" applies. Genocide, medical testing, killing of first born children, you name it, it's all happened before to every race of people.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Come now,youve seen a white couple cross the street when they see a black man, youve had a white friend tell this harrowing tale of how he ended up in a black neighborhood by accident.
Now considering the power structure of this country, and considering those very same pre-dispositions. When an African-American applies for a job, what do you think is going to happen?
Ive lived in predominantly African American communities, and even for those years when I heavily used drugs.
Even in their own neighborhood, if it was me and him, I knew I had the job.
We've come a long way,heck I have too, but dont fool yourself that we've come all the way
Look bro, I'm a white kid from the ghetto too, and I appreciate your candidness about addiction- seriously, congrats on being clean. That's a helluva hard thing for some people to over come and I'm glad you made it out.
Human beings will never cease to be "racist". Never, ever. It's completely primal. It's an ingrained trait to all humans to treat others differently from those you identify with. I'm kind of getting out of my league here, but in layman's terms, it stems from the moment you develop your sense of "you"; when you become aware that you are separate from your parents. In human behavior, we all have different ways of treating people: we treat ourselves differently than we treat our immediate family, then our friends differently than that, and then we have a unique way we deal with strangers. In an extremely generalized, summarized way of putting it, this is where "racism" comes from, in our treatment/reaction to strangers. Inherently, we take everything we know about someone's appearance/behavior and do a threat assessment. Pure and simple. Black people are 14% of the population (US), but responsible for a solid majority of the violent crime. So crossing the street to avoid a possible threat and avoiding black neighborhoods isn't racism, it's good common sense.
It's nothing specific to black people, it's just the rules of poverty. You would expect the same in Manchester or in parts of Ireland, Hong Kong, whatever.
So, my point is that racism will never go away, but despite the power structure and any predispositions, in America, there's plenty of opportunity for those who want it. Anybody who wants a job can get one, otherwise there wouldn't be 12 million illegal Mexicans here working. Oh sure, it may not be the job you want, but it's a job. There's a reason that on average Mexicans become middle class within 5 years of moving here, and that systemic poverty is a problem among blacks. ONLY BLACKS. Not Mexicans, Asians, Arabs, Whites, or any other ethnic group. Are the "controlling whites authorities" only suppressing black people?
Lookit man, I'm a middle class white guy living in the American South not 30 miles from a famous old plantation (Marlsgate), and my last 4 bosses were black people from the South- 3 men, 1 woman. Now these were educated professionals working in technical fields (Information Technology, Comunications Security, and Logistics Management) and making around 100k. They didn't need any sympathy from anybody- their words not mine: "Nobody's making you sell drugs or get pregnant in high school, and nobody's forcing you to make bad grades in high school." It only takes a "C" average and an 18 or better ACT score to get into a state college, and if you're black and poor, it's not only free, but you MAKE MONEY off the grants. YOU'RE PAID TO GO TO COLLEGE. And if you happen to make good grades at that state school, (usually a 3.8 or better), you can get into a damn good private college at an affordble rate if not for free.
Doesn't matter who you are, if you want it bad enough, you get can it. Some people have to work harder than others, it's a fact of life. But in America, it's not a problem of opportunity.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
[
History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]
Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
They were legally allowed to kill, mutilate, and mercilessly beat slaves, they also permanently separated families as punishment (being "sold down the river"), work them to death etc. They were traded as commodities and treated worse than animals. etc, etc etc.
Best treated in history :rolleyes:. There is no "beat treated" regarding slavery, though I suppose a case could be made that some Native groups treated their slaves with a good deal of kindness.
Yeah, I didn't mean to sound like I assigned any humanity to their treatment, because I don't. But, it doesn't matter what details you bring, i.e. killing, mutilating, etc... it's all been done before (and currently happening in Sudan and Indonesia), and nothing that was done to them was unique. Perhaps "best treated" is the wrong way of putting it, what I really mean to say is that they had the best standard of living of any slaves in history, not because of any good will on part of their captors, but just because of the time period.
To your point about Natives, you're partially correct. Natives primarily would kill the men and take the women and children into their societies- that's actually assimilation. Google Mary Rowlandson.
Even with the Jews, who are the most picked on ethnic group in history, the phrase, "there's nothing new under the sun" applies. Genocide, medical testing, killing of first born children, you name it, it's all happened before to every race of people.
There was no universal treatment of slaves by "Natives", there are many different entities with their own customs etc. I'd like to read that book by Rowlandson, but I view most things written by whites about Natives with intense skepticism.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
CFH
They were legally allowed to kill, mutilate, and mercilessly beat slaves, they also permanently separated families as punishment (being "sold down the river"), work them to death etc. They were traded as commodities and treated worse than animals. etc, etc etc.
Best treated in history :rolleyes:. There is no "beat treated" regarding slavery, though I suppose a case could be made that some Native groups treated their slaves with a good deal of kindness.
Yeah, I didn't mean to sound like I assigned any humanity to their treatment, because I don't. But, it doesn't matter what details you bring, i.e. killing, mutilating, etc... it's all been done before (and currently happening in Sudan and Indonesia), and nothing that was done to them was unique. Perhaps "best treated" is the wrong way of putting it, what I really mean to say is that they had the best standard of living of any slaves in history, not because of any good will on part of their captors, but just because of the time period.
To your point about Natives, you're partially correct. Natives primarily would kill the men and take the women and children into their societies- that's actually assimilation. Google Mary Rowlandson.
Even with the Jews, who are the most picked on ethnic group in history, the phrase, "there's nothing new under the sun" applies. Genocide, medical testing, killing of first born children, you name it, it's all happened before to every race of people.
There was no universal treatment of slaves by "Natives", there are many different entities with their own customs etc. I'd like to read that book by Rowlandson, but I view most things written by whites about Natives with intense skepticism.
You're right- "There was no universal treatment of slaves by "Natives"", because they didn't keep slaves. They killed the men, and assimilated the women and children into their societies. But even that's not universal; the story of Mary Rowlandson is from the puritan era in Massachusetts area. She was captured by them and made a wife and what's funny is she progressively starts to enjoy it. It's believed that most people in this area and era who joined Native societies (forced or not) actually preferred them to their own white societies. It's sort of a boring read (I had to read it in American Lit I) but some interesting things come out of it.
Reinforcing your point, Aztec's most certainly kept slaves and treated them just as bad as the rest of the humans.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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hfahrenheit
Yeah, I didn't mean to sound like I assigned any humanity to their treatment, because I don't. But, it doesn't matter what details you bring, i.e. killing, mutilating, etc... it's all been done before (and currently happening in Sudan and Indonesia), and nothing that was done to them was unique. Perhaps "best treated" is the wrong way of putting it, what I really mean to say is that they had the best standard of living of any slaves in history, not because of any good will on part of their captors, but just because of the time period.
To your point about Natives, you're partially correct. Natives primarily would kill the men and take the women and children into their societies- that's actually assimilation. Google Mary Rowlandson.
Even with the Jews, who are the most picked on ethnic group in history, the phrase, "there's nothing new under the sun" applies. Genocide, medical testing, killing of first born children, you name it, it's all happened before to every race of people.
There was no universal treatment of slaves by "Natives", there are many different entities with their own customs etc. I'd like to read that book by Rowlandson, but I view most things written by whites about Natives with intense skepticism.
You're right- "There was no universal treatment of slaves by "Natives"", because they didn't keep slaves. They killed the men, and assimilated the women and children into their societies. But even that's not universal; the story of Mary Rowlandson is from the puritan era in Massachusetts area. She was captured by them and made a wife and what's funny is she progressively starts to enjoy it. It's believed that most people in this area and era who joined Native societies (forced or not) actually preferred them to their own white societies. It's sort of a boring read (I had to read it in American Lit I) but some interesting things come out of it.
Reinforcing your point, Aztec's most certainly kept slaves and treated them just as bad as the rest of the humans.
By Natives, I was referring to those who lived in what is now America and Canada, I should've been clear about that.
My point was that you can't make a statement regarding all Natives, as they and their societies were as distinct and separate as those dispersed over a comparable area. Saying all Natives killed the men and assimilated their women and children is erroneous. Some groups did, no doubt, but not all.
I know for a fact that Natives on the NW coast kept male slaves. Leaders captured them from one another. The NW coast peoples actually treated their slaves relatively well, here's a quote about it -
"Slaves, who were usually purchased or captured in war, made up a substantial part of the population. Although they had to perform menial tasks, their lives were not greatly different from commoners. However, they were considered chattel and could be sold, given away at potlatches, or killed by a high-ranking chief to demonstrate indifference to his great wealth."
The Haida were specifically noted as fierce warriors and slave raiders, nowhere have I read that they killed the men and only enslaved women and children.
I've read that females were preferred because they posed less of a risk than males, but it was common for males to be enslaved as well.
Some groups in what is now the British Columbia Plateau often captured female slaves though, integrating their children into their societies as you describe.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
...I'll get in trouble posting here.....that being said if there are any stories of mistreated black coal miners then Trainer is going to have a stroke :rolleyes:
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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Bilbo
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Since it was the UK who began the slave trade in the 16th century, how were blacks treated after their so called freedom in the 1800's? And did the British go about treating blacks like we did here in the US as late as the 1960's?
This Brits never started the Atlantic slave trade at all it was the Spanish and Portugese.
We did what all all the major European powers were doing at the time, only as our empire was bigger we did it on a much bigger scale.
But let's not forget it was also the Brits who abolished the slave trade, although Denmark actually abolished it first. But we abolished the trade before Portugal, Spain, America, Brazil and the rest of the colonies.
And slavery wasn't started in the name of religion, but it was stopped in the name of religion, with the Quakers especially being prominent in getting it abolished as an abomination unto God.
Let's give Christianity credit for this at least ;)
But that was after Christianity was used for a few hundred years as a means of justifying slavery.
Re: How are blacks treated in the UK?
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WOW... you seriously need a history lesson. First off, I'm assuming you're referring to the Transatlantic slave trade, which was started around 1452 by the PORTUGUESE AND THE SPANISH.
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Slavery is as old as war, prostitution, and religion, and there is no group of people that's not guilty of it.
Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.
Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Actually Sierra Leone and Liberia were founded by freed slaves
