I pity the Quarry familyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Hey Ali do the shuffle,Joe, sing a couple of bars for us and then drive across town.
15 rounds,great idea
Why dont we show our concern for the poor boxers by going back to 100 rounds
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I pity the Quarry familyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Hey Ali do the shuffle,Joe, sing a couple of bars for us and then drive across town.
15 rounds,great idea
Why dont we show our concern for the poor boxers by going back to 100 rounds
Just because the rounds are an even number doesn't severly effect the chance of a draw. That's why knockdowns are worth extra and point deductions cause a flux in points.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
All the true champions go 12 easily, and the best ones go 15 just as easily. I mean you hear about them traing like Mayweather going against Lovemore N'Dou and Baldomir for 20x5minute rounds. Thats insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
I really think it would help guys like MAyweather who's style is to use defense to tire out your opponent. IMO if Mayweather-De La Hoya was 15 rounds I don't think Oscar would have finished teh fight, the last two rounds besides the brief trading of shots at the end of the 12th were very ugly for Oscar, and I think it would just gotten worse over the last 3 rounds to the point someone would have stopped it. I really think Floyd and Bernard Hopkins have suffered from it NOT being 15 rounds, except Hopkins was lucky for the 12 rounds against Joe, though he still didn't get the decision. On that note Joe Calzaghe to, I think he would have a LOT more stoppage wins if it were 15 round fights, I see him potentially stopping Hopkins(I can't see Hopkins standing 3 more rounds in that fight), He would have stopped Kessler likely, and Lacy for sure.
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Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyI pity the Quarry familyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Hey Ali do the shuffle,Joe, sing a couple of bars for us and then drive across town.
15 rounds,great idea
Points taken on that post.
With knockdowns you could still end with a draw,no matter what the number of rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyI pity the Quarry familyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Hey Ali do the shuffle,Joe, sing a couple of bars for us and then drive across town.
15 rounds,great idea
Points taken on that post.
People dont consider exhaustion,dehydration,and repeated concussive force, when they discuss this,and shear cussedness, some guys just wont go the hell down and stay there.
Ali/Frazier there was a rumour floating after the first one, that Frazier had died, he just wouldnt go down. And he was never the same after that.
I think having an odd number of rounds will definitely MINIMIZE the "draw" results... since it will eliminate the situations where judges gave same number of rounds to both boxers in a 10-point must system and assuming no knockdowns/points deductions in the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoJust because the rounds are an even number doesn't severly effect the chance of a draw. That's why knockdowns are worth extra and point deductions cause a flux in points.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
If there's no points deductions and no knockdowns, it's expected that the fight will NOT end in a draw for an odd number of rounds fight...
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Your forgetting odd number of judgesQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI think having an odd number of rounds will definitely MINIMIZE the "draw" results... since it will eliminate the situations where judges gave same number of rounds to both boxers in a 10-point must system and assuming no knockdowns in the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoJust because the rounds are an even number doesn't severly effect the chance of a draw. That's why knockdowns are worth extra and point deductions cause a flux in points.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
If there's no point deductions and no knockdowns, it's expected that the fight will NOT end in a draw for an odd number of rounds fight...
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And that leads to inconclusive mixed decisions all the time
You could play Clazeghe/Hopkins in front of 151 different judges,and you allmost allways end up with different results
Just do not see either number of rounds,15-12 will not cure the all too common even rounds given that result in draws
I don't really see a big problem with draws. It's the legitimate result of a tough, evenly matched fight. It beats the hell out of losing a close evenly matched fight, doesn't it?
Assuming there's no KDs and deductions, in odd number of rounds a judge is expected to determine a winner. For example Judge A has Boxer 1, then Judge B has Boxer 2. Judge C can't give an even (draw) total score for the fight because of the odd number of rounds so Judge C has either Boxer 1 or Boxer 2 as winner then it results to a majority decision (MD) win of either boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyYour forgetting odd number of judgesQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI think having an odd number of rounds will definitely MINIMIZE the "draw" results... since it will eliminate the situations where judges gave same number of rounds to both boxers in a 10-point must system and assuming no knockdowns in the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
If there's no point deductions and no knockdowns, it's expected that the fight will NOT end in a draw for an odd number of rounds fight...
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And that leads to inconclusive mixed decisions all the time
You could play Clazeghe/Hopkins in front of 151 different judges,and you allmost allways end up with different results
But the judge has all the capability to manipulate the score. The judge can score a round even, 9-9 or a 10-10 round that can result to a draw but these are exceptional situations.
Though as always, the question still remains the same, does that boxer really deserve the win? At least they proclaim someone a winner instead of a draw. Odd number of rounds become a motivation (or added pressure?) for the boxer for there will be a minimal chance for a draw. So meaning if the boxer feels he's behind in the scorecards then he really needs a KO to win, he can't hope for a draw.
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NO. The added damage a fighter will take is not worth it just so we can feel "old school". Times change. Boxing is a tough sport as it is, and I'm glad fighters don't have to fight 300 pro fights to make a living anymore. I think asking the athletes to go another 9 minutes for no real good reason is stupid..
yes id like to see fights go to 15 rounders.
Even then,it really doesnt lessen the odds of a drawQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerAssuming there's no KDs and deductions, in odd number of rounds a judge is expected to determine a winner. For example Judge A has Boxer 1, then Judge B has Boxer 2. Judge C can't give an even (draw) total score for the fight because of the odd number of rounds so Judge C has either Boxer 1 or Boxer 2 as winner then it results to a majority decision (MD) win of either boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyYour forgetting odd number of judgesQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
And that leads to inconclusive mixed decisions all the time
You could play Clazeghe/Hopkins in front of 151 different judges,and you allmost allways end up with different results
But the judge has all the capability to manipulate the score. The judge can score a round even, 9-9 or a 10-10 round that can result to a draw but these are exceptional situations.
Though as always, the question still remains the same, does that boxer really deserve the win? At least they proclaim someone a winner instead of a draw. Odd number of rounds become a motivation (or added pressure?) for the boxer for there will be a minimal chance for a draw. So meaning if the boxer feels he's behind in the scorecards then he really needs a KO to win, he can't hope for a draw.
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Fullmer/Robinson Fullmer/Giardello Pep/McCallister Carmen Basillio had 7 draws
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.
I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.
Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.
But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.
Except with the Kim fight, there was no reason to stop the fight. He was fighting back and defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaI agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I don't think 15 round fights are what led to serious injuries. What leads to injuries are fights that should be stopped but aren't, and that can happen in a 4 round fight or an 8 round fight or a 12 round fight too.
I waver back and forth on the 15 vs. 12 issue. When we think back to the era of 15-rounders, we tend to only think of the classic 15 round fights, and we forget that there were plenty of boring 15 rounders too. There were plenty of 15 rounders where Rounds 13-15 were just two exhausted guys clutching and grabbing each other.
Would I have liked to see Morales-Barrera or Pacquiao-Marquez for 15 rounds? Sure.
But how about Taylor-Spinks or Wlad-Ibragimov... does anyone wish those fights went 15 rounds? It would have just been 9 more minutes of boredom.
Quarry suffered from boxer dementia,Ali has Parkinsons,Frazier has slurred speach