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Well i thought Oscar looked bad coming in the ring and i say he was drained also i am not sure about this but is it because of weight drain makes your skin thin or somthing because he was bruised so easly in the fight when he has gotten hit by harder punchers but never bruised so bad.
Yeah you have next to no water underneath the skin. That's why bodybuilders dehydrate before going on stage....look more vascular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Obviously has no benefit to a fighter ;D
Thanks ono i was just wondering what was up with that i mean Oscar face use to be able to take a beaten but last few fights he has bruised some.
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Originally Posted by onoIt's not just water than contributes to being weight-drained.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwGood point. DLH had a good lather on just before the fight. A dehydrated weight drained fighter does not sweat up well at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
Roach says Manny weighed over 146 lbs on their own scales not long before the official weigh in. 4 LB's got lost somewhere in that time frame. It makes you wonder if the scales were messed with just so DLH would not have to pay Manny more money.
It is one of those conspiracy theories that many will ponder for a while.
Muscle glycogen levels are very important and they need to be maximum come fight night. In-fact some form of carb-loading should take place in order for him to super-saturate his muscles with glycogen.
The fact that he only added 2lbs suggest to me that he didn't consume anywhere enough carbohydrates between the weigh in and fight night.
i believe the medical side of your explanation... well simply because i dont understand half of it. ehehhe
but the question is why didnt he consumed the carb, water and whatever nutrients his body needs to get his body prepared for a beating i mean the fight?
normal people gains about a pound after eating heavily not so different from dlh. he has about four meals from the final weigh to the fight. so to me that suggests that dlh wasnt affected by his weight or diet. he didnt looked malnourished at all they assumed that it was the optimum weight for dlh to be in. i mean why would dlh even think of bulking up if we all know that it will only slow him down?
Thought it was odd DLH trying to create a bit of moisture in his mouth before hand, he's a bit too long in the tooth to be suffering with nerves.
Ok all i am going to say is this for Oscar not fighting at welterweight for what was it like 10 years then ways under the weight limit and gains like no weight after the weigh in somthing is wrong at he is 35 and it can not be good for the body to go up and down in weight like that it cant be.
Well that is one of the riddles with the whole weigh deal. Everyone expected ODLH to bulk up after the weigh in, no matter what happened at it...it is pretty much standard OP for things like this given the fighters circumstances...but yet he didn't. A lot expected him to bulk up as high as 160. I think they somehow just botched it. Maybe it will come out, an explanation, or maybe he was ill and too proud or professional to state it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10Quote:
Originally Posted by onoIt's not just water than contributes to being weight-drained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Muscle glycogen levels are very important and they need to be maximum come fight night. In-fact some form of carb-loading should take place in order for him to super-saturate his muscles with glycogen.
The fact that he only added 2lbs suggest to me that he didn't consume anywhere enough carbohydrates between the weigh in and fight night.
i believe the medical side of your explanation... well simply because i dont understand half of it. ehehhe
but the question is why didnt he consumed the carb, water and whatever nutrients his body needs to get his body prepared for a beating i mean the fight?
normal people gains about a pound after eating heavily not so different from dlh. he has about four meals from the final weigh to the fight. so to me that suggests that dlh wasnt affected by his weight or diet. he didnt looked malnourished at all they assumed that it was the optimum weight for dlh to be in. i mean why would dlh even think of bulking up if we all know that it will only slow him down?
And then again, maybe we'll never know.
Only Oscar and his team no the answer to that. Maybe he wasn't well or maybe they we're under-prepared. Did he have a nutritionaist with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10Quote:
Originally Posted by onoIt's not just water than contributes to being weight-drained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Muscle glycogen levels are very important and they need to be maximum come fight night. In-fact some form of carb-loading should take place in order for him to super-saturate his muscles with glycogen.
The fact that he only added 2lbs suggest to me that he didn't consume anywhere enough carbohydrates between the weigh in and fight night.
i believe the medical side of your explanation... well simply because i dont understand half of it. ehehhe
but the question is why didnt he consumed the carb, water and whatever nutrients his body needs to get his body prepared for a beating i mean the fight?
normal people gains about a pound after eating heavily not so different from dlh. he has about four meals from the final weigh to the fight. so to me that suggests that dlh wasnt affected by his weight or diet. he didnt looked malnourished at all they assumed that it was the optimum weight for dlh to be in. i mean why would dlh even think of bulking up if we all know that it will only slow him down?
I honestly thought he looked ill. Like he hadn't eaten for a while. He looked weak and drawn.
I don't think it was anywhere near his optimum weight. Surely if this was the case he would have fought Steve Forbes at welter or Mayweather at welter. The fact that he hasn't been at welter since 2001 suggest it's not his optmimal weight.
Bulking up will only slow you down if you don't have the frame to support the added muscle. See Manny for example. Fast as ever because he has the frame to support the weight.
If you mean bulking up in the sense of eating a lot between the weigh in and fight, then again it wouldn't slow you down. You'd be consuming carbohydrate which be stored in your muscles as glycogen....where it is ready to be used as energy. It wouldn't be making him sluggish or anything of the sort. It would simply give him enough fuel for him to perform at his best for 12 rounds. He clearly got nowhere near his best.
Like i say 2lbs between weigh in and fight suggest he messed up. God knows why.
I will say that i was watching 24/7 last week and he had done 12 rounds sparring and he weighed himself afterwards and he was still 147 (i think) He claimed he lost 8lbs sparring so even at a severely dehydrated state he was only just at the limit. He looked in good condition in the sense he had minimal bodyfat. So what did he lose that made him drop from 155 to 145?
i dont know man im lost too....
i think im the only one who wasnt surprised about dlh weight. i said it a few days ago that he will not bulk up simply because it will slow him down. thats why he started to lose the extra weight 2 months prior the fight so he will get accustomed to that weight. well pac is a gifted boxer he is lucky to keep his speed at a heavier weight.
he knows that pac might carry his speed at 145 we all know too that dlh is old and is slower. dlh has the frame to support the weight too but he didnt bulked up cause it will slow him down.
or maybe he wasnt really at 147 that would count for the missing lbs in the official weighing scale?
Muscle only slows you down when you reach a point where you are carrying too much to remain flexible. This isn't the case with Oscar. Maybe they thought it would be, mainly because people seem to wrongly presume that muscle slows you down. I really don't know what they were thinking. IMO they messed up big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
He looked fine, people need to stop putting the fact he is 35, and hadn't foughten at 147 in 7 years to rest. He looked fine at 150 against Forbes, light on his feet. People need to accept the better man won overwhelmingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom
them 3lbs can make more of a difference than you think, much the same way guzman could make 138lb but 135 lb made him ill
i also think the DLH that fought forbes would have lost, forbes marked him up more than some elite fighters did to oscar when he was at his best,
i think the first little speedy shot that manny threw signalled the end of DLH's hopes of winning
Any opinion on how Forbes would have fared against the DLH that fought PAC?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
perhaps slightly better due to the weight thing
i think forbes has a losers mentality in the way he fights, i mean dont get me wrong his a good fighter i just feel in his bigest fights he seems as if his just happy to be there and against both DLH and Berto he appeared as if he was prepared to just make up the numbers and be competitive
truth is it would have been very hard for him to get down to that weight and the fact he only was a few pounds heavier in the ring would suggest he prob weakened himself getting down........things like cutting carbs out may have been done which overtime weakens a person............its sometimes better to lose water ( dry up ) then hydrate back up then to starve the body down to the flat weight createing a shock to the system