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Originally Posted by Diane

HBO just released the number, and it was 1.25 million.

So Kel, you were pretty close there. ;D

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So that makes it the third biggest on the list, huh? beating even the Mosley and Hopkins fights. Not a bad for a fight that was supposed to be a big joke.

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Originally Posted by pacfan

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Originally Posted by Diane

HBO just released the number, and it was 1.25 million.

So Kel, you were pretty close there. ;D

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So that makes it the third biggest on the list, huh? beating even the Mosley and Hopkins fights. Not a bad for a fight that was supposed to be a big joke.

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I'll say & Calzaghe just said boxing is a dying sport. He must be upset his fight with Roy did so poorly.

While Oscar is/was the golden goose with PPV buys, I think Manny vs. Hatton or PBF can do solid PPV #'s too. Maybe not the million mark like Oscar's fights but 500 to 750k is within reach & not bad.

so how much are the fighters purse with the hbo buys?

any1 able to do the caluations?

I really think that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would do better numbers than 1.25 Million. Don't forget that Mayweather did 850,000 buys fighting Ricky Hatton who was still somewhat of an unknown fighter from an American mainstream standpoint. Let's not forget that only PPV fights involving Tyson, Holyfield, and ODLH have done better numbers than 850,000. Mayweather should be considered a serious draw at this point. Americans hate and love loudmouth yet talented athletes at the same time. The bigger the threat to Mayweather's undefeated record the more fans will tune in. Pacquiao just DEMOLISHED ODLH in front of 1.25 Million pay per view buying viewers. Pacquiao must be considered a household name now. The fight, the talent involved, the styles, and the hype could propel it into megafight status. In my opinion, Pacquiao would waste a shot at BIG TIME money by fighting Hatton. He'd make great money with Hatton because the fight is a big fight overseas, but he'd make even better money and he'd gain A LOT more by fighting Floyd.

1.25M not bad at all... This number still expected to increase a little (maybe up to 1.4M) when all buys will be accounted for...
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Originally Posted by albsur2006

I really think that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would do better numbers than 1.25 Million. Don't forget that Mayweather did 850,000 buys fighting Ricky Hatton who was still somewhat of an unknown fighter from an American mainstream standpoint. Let's not forget that only PPV fights involving Tyson, Holyfield, and ODLH have done better numbers than 850,000. Mayweather should be considered a serious draw at this point. Americans hate and love loudmouth yet talented athletes at the same time. The bigger the threat to Mayweather's undefeated record the more fans will tune in. Pacquiao just DEMOLISHED ODLH in front of 1.25 Million pay per view buying viewers. Pacquiao must be considered a household name now. The fight, the talent involved, the styles, and the hype could propel it into megafight status. In my opinion, Pacquiao would waste a shot at BIG TIME money by fighting Hatton. He'd make great money with Hatton because the fight is a big fight overseas, but he'd make even better money and he'd gain A LOT more by fighting Floyd.

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PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.

PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.

I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.

Not bad considering so many people on here thought it would do less than a million, third biggest no heavyweight PPV buy behind ODLH-Trinidad and of course ODLH-PBF.

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Originally Posted by luvfightgame

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

I really think that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would do better numbers than 1.25 Million. Don't forget that Mayweather did 850,000 buys fighting Ricky Hatton who was still somewhat of an unknown fighter from an American mainstream standpoint. Let's not forget that only PPV fights involving Tyson, Holyfield, and ODLH have done better numbers than 850,000. Mayweather should be considered a serious draw at this point. Americans hate and love loudmouth yet talented athletes at the same time. The bigger the threat to Mayweather's undefeated record the more fans will tune in. Pacquiao just DEMOLISHED ODLH in front of 1.25 Million pay per view buying viewers. Pacquiao must be considered a household name now. The fight, the talent involved, the styles, and the hype could propel it into megafight status. In my opinion, Pacquiao would waste a shot at BIG TIME money by fighting Hatton. He'd make great money with Hatton because the fight is a big fight overseas, but he'd make even better money and he'd gain A LOT more by fighting Floyd.

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PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.

PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.

I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.

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It will be interesting to see what Floyd's future numbers would be were he to come back.

Prior to his fight with Oscar he was generating around 350,000 - 380,000 in buys, then the Oscar fight was massive over 2 million, and 850,000 for Hatton.

You would think that with Manny's scintillating performance against Oscar that every fight fan would love to see Pacquaio vs Mayweather and that such a fight would do at least 1 million in ppv buys, but we really don't know how popular Floyd is.

His win over Oscar, his appearance on Dancing with the Stars, and his brilliant KO of Hatton may well have brought him a whole new bunch of fans.

And Manny must surely be a big star now he's demolished the Golden Boy.

I would bet a fight between the two would break the 1 million mark as its a fight every fight fan in the world would want to see.

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Originally Posted by luvfightgame

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

I really think that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would do better numbers than 1.25 Million. Don't forget that Mayweather did 850,000 buys fighting Ricky Hatton who was still somewhat of an unknown fighter from an American mainstream standpoint. Let's not forget that only PPV fights involving Tyson, Holyfield, and ODLH have done better numbers than 850,000. Mayweather should be considered a serious draw at this point. Americans hate and love loudmouth yet talented athletes at the same time. The bigger the threat to Mayweather's undefeated record the more fans will tune in. Pacquiao just DEMOLISHED ODLH in front of 1.25 Million pay per view buying viewers. Pacquiao must be considered a household name now. The fight, the talent involved, the styles, and the hype could propel it into megafight status. In my opinion, Pacquiao would waste a shot at BIG TIME money by fighting Hatton. He'd make great money with Hatton because the fight is a big fight overseas, but he'd make even better money and he'd gain A LOT more by fighting Floyd.

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PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.

PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.

I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.

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I agree! Mayweather isn't the draw. He was involved in the two biggest fights of 2007 but that was because of Oscar and Hatton. Hatton has tons of fans. Pacquiao has been making records with PPV buys for the lower weight classes with his fights with Morales and second fight with Marquez. If you ask me, Mayweather vs Hatton, Mayweather vs Pacquiao would both generate lots of buys but it's not the name Mayweather, it's because of Pacquiao and Hatton.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by luvfightgame

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

I really think that a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would do better numbers than 1.25 Million. Don't forget that Mayweather did 850,000 buys fighting Ricky Hatton who was still somewhat of an unknown fighter from an American mainstream standpoint. Let's not forget that only PPV fights involving Tyson, Holyfield, and ODLH have done better numbers than 850,000. Mayweather should be considered a serious draw at this point. Americans hate and love loudmouth yet talented athletes at the same time. The bigger the threat to Mayweather's undefeated record the more fans will tune in. Pacquiao just DEMOLISHED ODLH in front of 1.25 Million pay per view buying viewers. Pacquiao must be considered a household name now. The fight, the talent involved, the styles, and the hype could propel it into megafight status. In my opinion, Pacquiao would waste a shot at BIG TIME money by fighting Hatton. He'd make great money with Hatton because the fight is a big fight overseas, but he'd make even better money and he'd gain A LOT more by fighting Floyd.

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PBF isn't the draw. Hatton and Pacquiao is a much bigger fight. Mayweather isn't very well known nor liked. He wasn't known by the average person until ODH fight. Pac and Hatton have fans, PBF is well known but doesn't have a ton of fans and he doesn't have a crowd pleasing style. Except for hardcore boxing fans most people don't like his style of fighting. PBF couldn't sell out the arena for the Baldomir fight. If he was the draw it wouldn't matter who he fights. That's how it is for ODH, Hatton, Pac.... they fill the seats and sell ppv's no matter what.

PBF isn't that type of personality. He's recognized as supremely talented but not a ppv or seat selling powerhouse.

I think Duddy has a bigger fan base than PBF.

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It will be interesting to see what Floyd's future numbers would be were he to come back.

Prior to his fight with Oscar he was generating around 350,000 - 380,000 in buys, then the Oscar fight was massive over 2 million, and 850,000 for Hatton.

You would think that with Manny's scintillating performance against Oscar that every fight fan would love to see Pacquaio vs Mayweather and that such a fight would do at least 1 million in ppv buys, but we really don't know how popular Floyd is.

His win over Oscar, his appearance on Dancing with the Stars, and his brilliant KO of Hatton may well have brought him a whole new bunch of fans.

And Manny must surely be a big star now he's demolished the Golden Boy.

I would bet a fight between the two would break the 1 million mark as its a fight every fight fan in the world would want to see.

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Yeah I agree, I think Floyd vs. Manny could do very well based on the fact they became bigger stars after beating Oscar. I wonder if PBF's fight with Hatton did well due to Hatton? Did American fight fans really know Hatton that well to tune in because of him or was it 2 unbeaten fighters & Floyd having just been on Dancing with the Stars, in addition to his having beaten Oscar earlier that year?

Floyd is a draw. I don't even see why this is a discussion. Even if Manny and Oscar happened last year, there's no way it was doing 2.4 Million Buys. ODLH - Hopkins: 1 Million Buys, ODLH - Mayorga: 925K Buys, ODLH-Mayweather: 2.4 MILLION BUYS!!!! That's proof that Mayweather is a draw right there. Yeah, the draw in that fight was ODLH but Floyd proved that he's a draw too because they did almost double the numbers that ODLH vs Trinidad did.

Yall are mistaking having a fanbase with being a draw. Mayweather was clearly the draw in the US for the Hatton fight because Hatton never had been on pay per view and US fans were just learning about him. In the states, Mayweather had to be the draw to do anywhere near 850,000K buys in the US. Let's not forget that Mayweather was still doing a respectable 350K just for fighting Baldomir. Mayweather isn't a draw because of fanbase. He's a draw because of controversy, media coverage, his talent, and the mystique of his undefeated record. If you put him in the right situation where the matchup is good and he's facing someone who the public perceives has a shot at beating him then the fight will sell. And the public likes fights where it seems like the two fighters can't stand each other, and where there's a hero and villian. Mayweather is the definition of a villian and Pacquiao is the definition of a hero. Never in any fight will a hero and villian be more defined than Mayweather vs Pacquiao. I equate Floyd Mayweather's type of popularity to Terrell Owens in the US. Some people CAN'T STAND him, some people can't enough of him, but no matter what, he's different from almost everyone else in his sport, the media can't get enough of him because it gives them something a little different to cover, and whether you love him or hate him, you're the one watching him during primetime.

Mayweather - ODLH: 2.4 Million US PPV Buys (shatters the PPV record on the weekend that Spiderman 3 comes out)
Mayweather - Hatton: 850K US PPV Buys (only fights involving Tyson and ODLH have had more buys)

To say that US fans bought PPV to the tune of 850K to see Hatton, a fighter that most Americans knew nothing about, is fucking idiotic. Mayweather sold that fight in the US and Hatton sold that fight in the UK.

They could also play up the patriotic angle if they chose: "Pacman destroyed America's Golden Boy, will he go right through Pretty Boy too?"

(I know Floyd goes by Money now but whatever, Hearns was both the Hitman & Motor City Cobra too)

PBF v. Pacquiao wouldn't sell as much as Hatton v. Pacquiao unless it happens after Pacquiao beat Hatton and Pad had increased his name recognition.

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

Mayweather - ODLH: 2.4 Million US PPV Buys (shatters the PPV record on the weekend that Spiderman 3 comes out)
Mayweather - Hatton: 850K US PPV Buys (only fights involving Tyson and ODLH have had more buys)

To say that US fans bought PPV to the tune of 850K to see Hatton, a fighter that most Americans knew nothing about, is fucking idiotic. Mayweather sold that fight in the US and Hatton sold that fight in the UK.

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Exactly, these guys are talking as though the British fans had a say in the 850'000 HBO figure. Those are U.S numbers where I imagine most people couldn't give 2 shits about Ricky Hatton.

Also the Oscar fight - If Mayweather was such a weak draw how did his fight with Oscar beat the Trinidad/Oscar fight? (By a country mile)

Floyd is a draw..even if only for people wanting to see him get beat.

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

While we're waiting for the official figures to come in,,, do you think a Pac v Floyd showdown in 2009 would get more buys than Floyd v Oscar?? As far as a boxing fan I would surely think so.... I was actually a bit off put by the Oscar vs Floyd fight.. Oscar just isn't the motivated fighter that he was during his career when he was on the rise.. It was more of a money making thing to me.. And Floyd again wasn't fighting for a belt or anything and it just didn't seem like it had the heart and passion of fights like Cotto Margarito...
But to the general public, I actually think having Oscar in the Floyd fight will make the general public respond better than a Pac vs Floyd...
Although perhaps that's understimating the general public...

Pac vs Floyd would be absolutely HUGE for me and anyone who knows shit about boxing... Where Oscar's motivation was as much money as anything, I bet if it really came down to it, (and this is in fantasy land), Pac would fight Floyd for free just to be in the same ring and have the chance at adding a win over Floyd Mayweather to his legacy....

I mean, it would have to do more buys than Floyd DLH... They would hype the absolute shit out of it, and so they should! Matchups of genuine P4P number 1 plus P4P number 2 in boxing just comes along maybe every 5 or 10 years, and these are 2 great fighters... Not 10 years past the fact or anything.. Pac is arguably at his absolute Prime, and the weight only looks great and more explosive on him... And who could argue that Floyd has looked bad in ANY of his fights at all.. So by no means could anyone say Pac is getting an easy run of it fighting Floyd in 2009..

$2.5 million should be what the promoters aim for.. Any less and they shoudl be ashamed..

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floyd oscar fight got so many more because of oscar, so i wouldnt expect pac mayweather to do that well prob abt 1 mill