Glen Johnson's Christmas list.... (calling out Joe Calzaghe)

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

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Originally Posted by killersheep

My scorecard had Johnson ahead, but it was a close fight, and as I said the official decision went to Dawson. I don't see where waiting would help, because it's possible at this point Calzaghe could retire at any point.

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Here was my scorecard.

1 Dawson 10-9
2 Dawson 10-9
3 Johnson 10-9
4 Johnson 10-9
5 Johnson 10-9
6 Dawson 10-9
7 Dawson 10-9
8 Dawson 10-9
9 Dawson 10-9
10 Johnson 10-9
11 Johnson 10-9
12 Johnson 10-9

114-114

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spot on donaire, 114-114 was exactly how i and a lot of observers scored that.

Johnson-Calzaghe would be joes easiest payday since manfredo.

Johnson is a come forward, middle of the ring brawler. JC is 46-0 because he is soooo good against these types of opponents and simply fights these guys at angles and in aggresive consistent flurrys.

The fight wont happen because it just isnt attractive enough to persuade either HBO or Calzaghe, but if it was to it would have 120-108 calzaghe written all over it!!

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Gonna call bullshit on this, Johnson is a tough fight for anyone, he won't clam up like Manfredo, his output will put to shame what Hopkins and Jones did, and he's a cagey old man. I still think Calzaghe would win on points, but saying it would be easy is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

Here was my scorecard.

1 Dawson 10-9
2 Dawson 10-9
3 Johnson 10-9
4 Johnson 10-9
5 Johnson 10-9
6 Dawson 10-9
7 Dawson 10-9
8 Dawson 10-9
9 Dawson 10-9
10 Johnson 10-9
11 Johnson 10-9
12 Johnson 10-9

114-114

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spot on donaire, 114-114 was exactly how i and a lot of observers scored that.

Johnson-Calzaghe would be joes easiest payday since manfredo.

Johnson is a come forward, middle of the ring brawler. JC is 46-0 because he is soooo good against these types of opponents and simply fights these guys at angles and in aggresive consistent flurrys.

The fight wont happen because it just isnt attractive enough to persuade either HBO or Calzaghe, but if it was to it would have 120-108 calzaghe written all over it!!

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Gonna call bullshit on this, Johnson is a tough fight for anyone, he won't clam up like Manfredo, his output will put to shame what Hopkins and Jones did, and he's a cagey old man. I still think Calzaghe would win on points, but saying it would be easy is ridiculous.

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Agree with the Sheep on this one. No way is Johnson an easy scrap for anyone.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

Here was my scorecard.

1 Dawson 10-9
2 Dawson 10-9
3 Johnson 10-9
4 Johnson 10-9
5 Johnson 10-9
6 Dawson 10-9
7 Dawson 10-9
8 Dawson 10-9
9 Dawson 10-9
10 Johnson 10-9
11 Johnson 10-9
12 Johnson 10-9

114-114

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spot on donaire, 114-114 was exactly how i and a lot of observers scored that.

Johnson-Calzaghe would be joes easiest payday since manfredo.

Johnson is a come forward, middle of the ring brawler. JC is 46-0 because he is soooo good against these types of opponents and simply fights these guys at angles and in aggresive consistent flurrys.

The fight wont happen because it just isnt attractive enough to persuade either HBO or Calzaghe, but if it was to it would have 120-108 calzaghe written all over it!!

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Gonna call bullshit on this, Johnson is a tough fight for anyone, he won't clam up like Manfredo, his output will put to shame what Hopkins and Jones did, and he's a cagey old man. I still think Calzaghe would win on points, but saying it would be easy is ridiculous.

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I know what your saying mate and an in your face brawler like GJ would cause problems for anyone.

But in kessler, hopkins, RJJ Joes been up against styles he has rarely faced in his career and each time he had to overcome a new obstacle.

In Johnson i just dont see anything other than a glorified calzaghe-esque previous that he has been through endless times in his career to date and robin reid apart hasnt come across a single problem!!

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

spot on donaire, 114-114 was exactly how i and a lot of observers scored that.

Johnson-Calzaghe would be joes easiest payday since manfredo.

Johnson is a come forward, middle of the ring brawler. JC is 46-0 because he is soooo good against these types of opponents and simply fights these guys at angles and in aggresive consistent flurrys.

The fight wont happen because it just isnt attractive enough to persuade either HBO or Calzaghe, but if it was to it would have 120-108 calzaghe written all over it!!

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Gonna call bullshit on this, Johnson is a tough fight for anyone, he won't clam up like Manfredo, his output will put to shame what Hopkins and Jones did, and he's a cagey old man. I still think Calzaghe would win on points, but saying it would be easy is ridiculous.

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I know what your saying mate and an in your face brawler like GJ would cause problems for anyone.

But in kessler, hopkins, RJJ Joes been up against styles he has rarely faced in his career and each time he had to overcome a new obstacle.

In Johnson i just dont see anything other than a glorified calzaghe-esque previous that he has been through endless times in his career to date and robin reid apart hasnt come across a single problem!!

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Fair enough and you are entitled to your belief, but to say it would be as easy as Manfredo suggests you haven't ever seen Johnson fight. Johnson is cagey enough that Calzaghe will have to take time to adapt.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Gonna call bullshit on this, Johnson is a tough fight for anyone, he won't clam up like Manfredo, his output will put to shame what Hopkins and Jones did, and he's a cagey old man. I still think Calzaghe would win on points, but saying it would be easy is ridiculous.

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I know what your saying mate and an in your face brawler like GJ would cause problems for anyone.

But in kessler, hopkins, RJJ Joes been up against styles he has rarely faced in his career and each time he had to overcome a new obstacle.

In Johnson i just dont see anything other than a glorified calzaghe-esque previous that he has been through endless times in his career to date and robin reid apart hasnt come across a single problem!!

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Fair enough and you are entitled to your belief, but to say it would be as easy as Manfredo suggests you haven't ever seen Johnson fight. Johnson is cagey enough that Calzaghe will have to take time to adapt.

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Ive seen Glen Johnson from his hiding by B-hop, to the fights with tarver right up until the dawson fight ( a good 10-15 of his fights)

Dont disregard the man one single bit but just know calzaghe would not struggle with any of the issues most of johnsons crusades have come up against!!

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

Here was my scorecard.

1 Dawson 10-9
2 Dawson 10-9
3 Johnson 10-9
4 Johnson 10-9
5 Johnson 10-9
6 Dawson 10-9
7 Dawson 10-9
8 Dawson 10-9
9 Dawson 10-9
10 Johnson 10-9
11 Johnson 10-9
12 Johnson 10-9

114-114

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spot on donaire, 114-114 was exactly how i and a lot of observers scored that.

Johnson-Calzaghe would be joes easiest payday since manfredo.

Johnson is a come forward, middle of the ring brawler. JC is 46-0 because he is soooo good against these types of opponents and simply fights these guys at angles and in aggresive consistent flurrys.

The fight wont happen because it just isnt attractive enough to persuade either HBO or Calzaghe, but if it was to it would have 120-108 calzaghe written all over it!!

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Gonna call bullshit on this, Johnson is a tough fight for anyone, he won't clam up like Manfredo, his output will put to shame what Hopkins and Jones did, and he's a cagey old man. I still think Calzaghe would win on points, but saying it would be easy is ridiculous.

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Have to agree on that one.Johnson and easy have never occupied the same arena.Even at this stage,I think Calzaghe would have his hands full.No time for the theatrics and mocking in that one.Johnson would make him fight throughout.

Agreeing with Sheep,both Jones and Hopkins have had Joe down recently,and neither of them are known for their power,I cant see the walk in the park part with Johnson

I doubt Joe will face Johnson but if he did he would beat him handily...

Joe was knocked down by Jones and Hopkins but they were really flash knockdowns, especially Hopkins...Joe was never really hurt.

I see Joe beating down Johnson over the course of 12 rounds. I think he would win a wide unanimous decision.

Johnson's style is to walk you down and he is going to have to walk through a ton of bitch slaps and pitipats that come in at light speed.....Joe has some pop in those pitipat/slap punches.....How else was he able to hurt Lacy, Kessler, Jones, and Hopkins (Hopkins wasnt as evident but why do you think he tired and at the end was so cautious, had to call timeout a few times and roll around on the ground etc, he felt the power).....

Calzaghe avoided Johnson before. He'll find another way to do it again.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I doubt Joe will face Johnson but if he did he would beat him handily...

Joe was knocked down by Jones and Hopkins but they were really flash knockdowns, especially Hopkins...Joe was never really hurt.

I see Joe beating down Johnson over the course of 12 rounds. I think he would win a wide unanimous decision.

Johnson's style is to walk you down and he is going to have to walk through a ton of bitch slaps and pitipats that come in at light speed.....Joe has some pop in those pitipat/slap punches.....How else was he able to hurt Lacy, Kessler, Jones, and Hopkins (Hopkins wasnt as evident but why do you think he tired and at the end was so cautious, had to call timeout a few times and roll around on the ground etc, he felt the power).....

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Calzaghe was hurt by Jones, he admitted as much. Jones caught him with a shot (a forearm really) that he never saw coming. He recovered well though.

If Johnson can hurt Dawson, he can easily hurt Calzaghe

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

I know what your saying mate and an in your face brawler like GJ would cause problems for anyone.

But in kessler, hopkins, RJJ Joes been up against styles he has rarely faced in his career and each time he had to overcome a new obstacle.

In Johnson i just dont see anything other than a glorified calzaghe-esque previous that he has been through endless times in his career to date and robin reid apart hasnt come across a single problem!!

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Fair enough and you are entitled to your belief, but to say it would be as easy as Manfredo suggests you haven't ever seen Johnson fight. Johnson is cagey enough that Calzaghe will have to take time to adapt.

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Ive seen Glen Johnson from his hiding by B-hop, to the fights with tarver right up until the dawson fight ( a good 10-15 of his fights)

Dont disregard the man one single bit but just know calzaghe would not struggle with any of the issues most of johnsons crusades have come up against!!

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Johnson Still pulls the trigger...Jones doesn't....Johnson will eat punches if need be....He has a high defense that woukld make it hard for Joes tap and flurry style to get in with a high % land rate...I agree with Killer...Either you have not really seen Johnsons fights enough or you are not looking at this outside a fan based attitude

Joe wins a by UD. come forwrad guys are his bread and butter, but Johnson is tough enough to cause a lot of problems. I see it as similar to Johnson -Dawson except Joe has the stamina to not take rounds off, so IMO the decision will be wider.

As for avoiding Johnson now, he's just to far down the pecking order. He's lost recently to both Dawson and Woods. Johnson's problem is that he's too one paced (not dimensional), from those two fights it seemed that his opponents only needed to up the pace above what he couldn't keep up with to take rounds, of course without really denting the guy's strong jaw. Calzaghe will be able to keep that pace going for more rounds.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

Joe wins a by UD. come forwrad guys are his bread and butter, but Johnson is tough enough to cause a lot of problems. I see it as similar to Johnson -Dawson except Joe has the stamina to not take rounds off, so IMO the decision will be wider.

As for avoiding Johnson now, he's just to far down the pecking order. He's lost recently to both Dawson and Woods. Johnson's problem is that he's too one paced (not dimensional), from those two fights it seemed that his opponents only needed to up the pace above what he couldn't keep up with to take rounds, of course without really denting the guy's strong jaw. Calzaghe will be able to keep that pace going for more rounds.

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This is a fair assessment. I don't think Johnson OR Dawson can bring the payday Joe's gonna require.

johnson could get his shot.....but he'd probably just loose by close decision anywayz. I'd like to see the fight though.