I agree with the comment on Angulo...that guy is a beast and would have his way with Kirkland at this point.....
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I agree with the comment on Angulo...that guy is a beast and would have his way with Kirkland at this point.....
As I have stated before in the past, I love watching Kirkland fight, he is exciting to watch, that's for sure, but I have also said that he really needs to shore up his defense big time.
He also needs to learn to calm down in the ring. I think the just loves to fight so much, and just wants to get in there, and cause some pain, that he gets over excited, and forgets his fundamentals.
I think taking Anne out completely, would be a mistake. Both of them had a bad upbringing, and James feels comfortable with her, and trusts her because of their similar backgrounds. Sergio talked to him a lot when they were sparring, and he told me that Kirkland doesn't trust anybody but Anne and Pops, so I think switching trainers all together would not be a good thing for him mentally. But I agree with Killface that maybe they can bring someone else in to teach him the things he needs, to take it to the next level.
If he learns to settle down, pace himself, and shore up that defense, he can make some major noise at 154.
he's good but angulo is the better prospect
I agree with that mostly,but I dont think they need somebody to teach him much new,they need somebody to get him to hunker down and focus.when they get him fighting like Ann does,he looks damned fine,when he loses his focus in there,is where it gets worrying. For all intents and purposes,what they really need is a motivational speaker to keep him focused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
I don't agree, he's not Anne and doesn't have the stamina to maintain the pace if he was fighting like Anne. He needs to learn to use his jab more and not get out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyI agree with that mostly,but I dont think they need somebody to teach him much new,they need somebody to get him to hunker down and focus.when they get him fighting like Ann does,he looks damned fine,when he loses his focus in there,is where it gets worrying. For all intents and purposes,what they really need is a motivational speaker to keep him focused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
Disagree going the other way,he's a little short for his weight,he needs to close distance,few fighters close like WolfeQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI don't agree, he's not Anne and doesn't have the stamina to maintain the pace if he was fighting like Anne. He needs to learn to use his jab more and not get out of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyI agree with that mostly,but I dont think they need somebody to teach him much new,they need somebody to get him to hunker down and focus.when they get him fighting like Ann does,he looks damned fine,when he loses his focus in there,is where it gets worrying. For all intents and purposes,what they really need is a motivational speaker to keep him focused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
He came up in large part with Wolfe, both of them being trained by the same person before she took the reigns. He probably knows everything she would tell him to do backwards and forwards. I'm talking about what her absence would do to him psychologically. Some guys do worse with a better trainer because they just don't gel right. Like Jermain Taylor and Emmanuel Steward. Does anyone think Manny wasn't better than the trainer Taylor went back to? Kirkland has a deep respect with Wolfe that probably wouldn't be there the same way with a new trainer and he wouldn't train right and wouldn't respond the way a new trainer would want him to.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI think Sergio Martinez would pick apart and decimate Kirkland, I'm excited with the influx of good fighters emerging at 154. I understand what you are saying about a new trainer, but don't you feel Kirkland has learned what he can from Wolfe?Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceI think his stamina is typically good, but not for this fight. He needs to keep Wolfe. Just like with Jermain Taylor, you could bring in a better trainer and get a worse result. He and Wolfe are very close, like siblings and I think far more harm would be done to his progress if she weren't around. Bring in someone who knows what she doesn't to teach him and I guarantee you the Junior Middleweight division will have a monster on its hands. And then the Middleweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
If Kirkland had to switch trainers the one person I can think of who could make it work is Floyd Mayweather Sr. Now I'm not saying it would work out, but the best chance for success would be there. Also, Sr. as his trainer would probably be the most likely to explode. Mayweather would shore up his defense and that mouth would be running non-stop until Kirkland heard it in his sleep. There wouldn't be any way for him to forget his fundamentals. The problem would lie in Kirkland being able to set his ego aside to do what he's told, but I don't know how problematic that would be for a guy who trains by chasing a heavybag attached to a moving truck or wrestling out of the grip of several guys in the ring.
Your point (and Trainer Monkey's) about keeping Wolfe as a trainer are well taken and I have been convinced by them. That being said, I still believe he is at a point in his skill level where he is on the verge of being phenomenal and with Wolfe alone he won't be able to get over the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
And I more or less agreed with it,they need a second in the corner to keep the kid focused on doing his work in thereQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYour point (and Trainer Monkey's) about keeping Wolfe as a trainer are well taken and I have been convinced by them. That being said, I still believe he is at a point in his skill level where he is on the verge of being phenomenal and with Wolfe alone he won't be able to get over the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Kirkland got determination, speed and power but careless sometimes. His work rate is good but needs improvement on defensive side.Fighters like Angulo will give him some problems if he doesn't improve on his defense.
Guys, I think for once we're all in agreement with one another. Any motions to close this thread?
I think he had a good learning curve against Vera. We know that hes very fast and powerful, he showed that against Vera, but if he fights against somebody like Vera who i add was limited he found problems. Vera no doubt had a good chin, and his defence was weak. At times when he applied combinations I think that got Kirkland in trouble, im thinking in terms of a decent fighter at 154-160 ie Paul Williams he will get beaten.
Kirkland cant go all out for the ko every second of every round and maybe because it has worked for him in the past its going to be hard for him to change this. Vera proved that he will gas out in the later rounds, a fighter like williams would be able to take what he has and finish him off. Kirkland needs to box more and think about his shots more than simply just throwing them at a very high tempo.
No doubt Kirkland is a very good prospect, but I just cant see him being able to use his tactics in the championship level. If he makes a few changes, we will see him champion late 09 IMO.
He's a good prospect with a few slight changes he could be alot better! every exciting fighter to watch.