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I thought it was more than that Ouma but either way he looked like, he bulked up way more than 12 pounds he looked like a greek god in there 2nd fight. But i could be wrong im not accusing him just bringing up a point. As for RJJ he was one of my favorites but i believe he did take, steroids to bulk up to Heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
The thing about steroids is you actually have to work out for them to produce results, so Toney is a poor example in Holyfield's favor. Remember Holyfield's heart problem that led to his suspension from boxing and his 'miraculous' healing? Steroids can cause heart problems and it could have been a matter of Holyfield not cycling properly. Also his recuperative abilities after he'd been badly hurt. Nobody is going to say Holyfield had an iron chin, but his ability to bounce back was bordering on supernatural. And look at his body since Balco broke. Looks starkly different, right? Sure, it COULD be because he's just getting older, but it could also be because his supply has been cut off.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Combine all that with the feds calling Evan Field's number and Holyfield himself picking up the phone. Now his excuse was he was getting his father's Rx's from there. He skipped every Rite-Aid, CVS, Walgreens and any other pharmacy for one that was 2 states away? How much sense does that make and why do you need an alias to pick up someone else's prescriptions? I just show up and give my wife's name when I pick up something for her.
True enough, but he did carry the weight well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireIts not like the steroids done James Toney any good anyway, he was still a fat slob in the John Ruiz fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Everyone who ever gets caught using steriods always says they were using it to recover from an injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Great point about the heart controversy never thought of it that way, that actually does make perfect sense when you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceThe thing about steroids is you actually have to work out for them to produce results, so Toney is a poor example in Holyfield's favor. Remember Holyfield's heart problem that led to his suspension from boxing and his 'miraculous' healing? Steroids can cause heart problems and it could have been a matter of Holyfield not cycling properly. Also his recuperative abilities after he'd been badly hurt. Nobody is going to say Holyfield had an iron chin, but his ability to bounce back was bordering on supernatural. And look at his body since Balco broke. Looks starkly different, right? Sure, it COULD be because he's just getting older, but it could also be because his supply has been cut off.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Combine all that with the feds calling Evan Field's number and Holyfield himself picking up the phone. Now his excuse was he was getting his father's Rx's from there. He skipped every Rite-Aid, CVS, Walgreens and any other pharmacy for one that was 2 states away? How much sense does that make and why do you need an alias to pick up someone else's prescriptions? I just show up and give my wife's name when I pick up something for her.
I just don't know. From what I've read and seen from old footage Evander used to walk around at 200 lbs and would lose around 10 lbs to make the cruiserweight division. In his first fight heavyweight against Tillis I believe in like 4 months he weighed 206 for that fight. I mean it isn't too much bulking up there. When he lost to Riddick and retired for a year he went from 208 to 217 and said he was working with Lee Haney six time Mr Olympian who has been found guilty of steroids. Whatever the case may be he has been getting away with it when alot of other's have been getting caught. So right now I would say no .
As I look at box rec he was 202 when he fought Tillis. Also he fought Alex Stuart less than a year later after the first fight with Riddick he weighed in at 212.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Yes. I think he went that path, shortly before facing Tyson. IMO, he did so to ensure a cability to compete against Mike Tyson, who was so menacing anad invincible around that time.
200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.
Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p
He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?
Are you serious with this ???Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Evander is innocent until proven guilty. Micheal Moorer shot up two divisions and nobody says anything because it can be done.
It isn't hard for some people to put on muscle, people with good genes can easily pack on muscle. I was pretty slim when i was 16, but i've put on a good 20+ pounds of muscle when i started working out seriously. At about 17 and a half or somewhere round there im now 19.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.
Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p
He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?
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Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireIt isn't hard for some people to put on muscle, people with good genes can easily pack on muscle. I was pretty slim when i was 16, but i've put on a good 20+ pounds of muscle when i started working out seriously. At about 17 and a half or somewhere round there im now 19.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross200lbs would have been his non training weight, when he moved up to heavy he was solid, it has to be steroids, to do that naturally would take a couple of years if its possible, ask any bodybuilder or aspiring bodybuilder and they will tell you how hard they find it to put on muscle, yet Holyfield, Jones,Toney and Mosely all go up in weight and have vastly more muscled bodys.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Although Toney was carrying fat, look at his traps, theyre huge, same as Holyfield.
Im now wondering about Hayes physique, hes put some lean mass on, although he was heavier for Bonin than Barrett, is it possible to gain then lose then gain again:-\:p
He doesnt look that cut though so could well be just fluids?
That's part of your body maturing. College age, till pros kids get bigger and stronger and your body fills out. Not the same when you are a longtime pro athlete and training consistently. It's highly unlikely to put on 10 of muscle in a year without steroids. When you combine that with working with a bodybuilder who has access and knowledge of what, when, and how to take them....... it's hard to say no. I admire Holyfields fighting spirit, steroids can't impact that but most likely ALL top level athletes have some experience with steroids.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsAre you serious with this ???Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Yes he took steroids and yes most heavyweights and lots of other weight boxers do too. If they did regular random testing then plenty of big names would have been caught over the years.