im picking baby bull he a very underated boxer who i think gonna surprise everyone with his performance
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im picking baby bull he a very underated boxer who i think gonna surprise everyone with his performance
Nice scrap,like both guys.....but I have to go with Marquez in the later rounds.Diaz has plenty of guts,fast hands and a very sturdy chin But I'm going with the vet.This is not the mostly lay back and counter punch Marquez of past,over last few has shown added pressure and willingness to engage....while retaining nice accuracy and combination punching to head and body.Bad mix for Diaz I believe.I think Marquez still possesses too many gears.
The big question...who cuts first.Both seem susceptible,especially Marquez.Diaz should try to turn the tables,out move and out speed Marquez...but do not come straight in and go shot for shot hoping to wear him down.Nice fight all around.
Sometimes we read things and get the wrong idea stuck in our head... read the thread again and highlight where you see someone claim that! If you are refering to what I wrote, in other words that Juan Diaz has heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
I'm very torn about his one. Sometimes I think Marquez will box circles around Diaz but sometimes I think Diaz will be firing on all cylinders and his workrate will smother Marquez. As of right now I think Diaz will have some success but as the fight goes on, Marquez' experience and counter punching will not allow Diaz to do what he wants on offense.
Whoever had Juan Diaz winning that fight against Nate Campbell is out of their mind. Nate controlled the tempo and made Diaz uncomfortable the entire time. That split-decision was crap. It had UD written all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the heck are you saying.... Diaz, had a cut over his eye and still managed a split decision. I'd say that is the opposite of loosing ones heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
And Juan is 100% guaranteed to win this fight...hahaha man that's lame...
Juan Manuel Marquez could do sh*t against a wimpy Chris John... His upper cut looked amateurish! He may box circle around Diaz but he'll look just like he did against Chris John. Marquez couldn't cut off the ring against John. It wasn't so much John winning the fight as it was Marquez losing... He just didn't do enough to win. And now you are telling me that Juan Diaz is less of a fighter?
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Originally Posted by fan johnnySometimes we read things and get the wrong idea stuck in our head... read the thread again and highlight where you see someone claim that! If you are refering to what I wrote, in other words that Juan Diaz has heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoI'm very torn about his one. Sometimes I think Marquez will box circles around Diaz but sometimes I think Diaz will be firing on all cylinders and his workrate will smother Marquez. As of right now I think Diaz will have some success but as the fight goes on, Marquez' experience and counter punching will not allow Diaz to do what he wants on offense.
Whoever had Juan Diaz winning that fight against Nate Campbell is out of their mind. Nate controlled the tempo and made Diaz uncomfortable the entire time. That split-decision was crap. It had UD written all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Juan Manuel Marquez could do sh*t against a wimpy Chris John... His upper cut looked amateurish! He may box circle around Diaz but he'll look just like he did against Chris John. Marquez couldn't cut off the ring against John. It wasn't so much John winning the fight as it was Marquez losing... He just didn't do enough to win. And now you are telling me that Juan Diaz is less of a fighter?
I'm sorry if I offended you in any way by what I said. I saw your comment and thought you meant you thought the fight was a SD.
But for the second part of your post. I don't think Marquez is going to be coming forward against Diaz. It will be the other way around. Diaz will be the one attempting to cut off the ring while Marquez will be stepping back ready to counter. If Marquez comes forward, I think that will be a tactical error on his part.
No worries.... we'll see Saturday what happens! I don't really care all that for Diaz, it just looked like he was hit on the break in that fight rather than the non-head butt everyone was talking about.... Make the guy look like a whinner....Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Seems like Marquez is always crying about something.. Maybe we'll get lucky and see a double knockout.....;D
"I know that you believe that you understand what you think I said, but I'm sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant" :confused:
Diaz has it in him to out hustle Marquez, but I think Marquez will land the crisper, more effective blows. It's an interesting clash of styles. I'm going with a Marquez decision.
Such a hard one to call, I enjoy watching both guys, the baby bulls all out combination punching and JMMs crisp countering style should gel well, Marques for me has the edge as BBs going to be coming all night if he fights to past form and that I fear will play into Marques's hands giving him plenty of opportunities to land his counter shots, on the other hand BB could just over whelm him but I just can't see that as JMM's seen off plenty of Manny's attacks in the past, going to be a good one who ever wins.
my heart and brain says jmm, perfect combo of power and skill. he's p4p number 2 for a resaon.
The title made me think of the slogan....
Stop the Juan on Juan violence.....
I will go with Diaz. Split decision very entertaining bout. But if Marquez wins I think it will be by ko.
This is going to be a unanimous decision, or an anytime KO for Juan Manuel Marquez. JMM is too savvy for the Baby Bull Diaz. JMM takes with him the experiences he gained through his battles against P4P king, Pacquiao. If JMM follow the same game plan he had against Pac in his coming date with BB Diaz, it will be an easy win.
Diaz overwhelms his opposition "only" if he can establish landing his combinations with repetitious regularity. This is where Juan Manuel Marquez' evasive footwork exposes how inept the Baby Bull's most effective weapons really are, once it is set against his. Diaz will be too slow in foot speed and punches, for him to be effective and get a decent shot at JMM. Maybe he improved? Most probably not.
Expect the rest of the night to be a display of crisp counter-punching from JMM, landing combinations that will illicit the oohs and the aahs from the gallery, absent from a lot of non-PPV bouts. Come to think of it, even some PPV bouts!
The only reason JMM, did not get decisions on his fights against Pacquiao, is because Pacquiao had the ability to match JMM's speed, and the power that unfortunately knocked him down each time it landed flush.
On both speed and power, Juan "the Baby Bull" Diaz, is a notch slower, enough for the other Juan, to punish him through counters. Tire and frustrate him, from the active retreat style of the later.
JMM easily by unanimous decision, that is if BB can absorb well the wicked combinations to remain upright, or KO if not... anytime, because it will land all night. Maybe TKO for cuts, also, JMM! Maybe he's slowed down a bit, already? Most probably not!
He definately broke Diaz' will (Campbell). He walked away with almost every single late round, and Diaz had no answer for him. JMM is not big enough to hurt Diaz. JMM can counterpunch all he wants, but if you can't put the baby bull on defense, he is just gonna keep throwing punches and steamroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the heck are you saying.... Diaz, had a cut over his eye and still managed a split decision. I'd say that is the opposite of loosing ones heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
And Juan is 100% guaranteed to win this fight...hahaha man that's lame...
I know we haven't seen a bad performance by JMM yet, but I am thinking he may have taken too big of a bite outta the LW division this time. All the JMM fans (one of my fav) can only hope the baby bull is too busy reading his books for this one (graduating this spring btw).
Juan Diaz took a terrible beating from Campbell and showed tremendous heart to last the distance. He did NOT quit like Kid Diamond did. So give that bullshit a rest man.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the heck are you saying.... Diaz, had a cut over his eye and still managed a split decision. I'd say that is the opposite of loosing ones heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
And Juan is 100% guaranteed to win this fight...hahaha man that's lame...
Diaz was trying to hang on with his dear life.
And SD? That should've been a UD. That was almost a highway robbery.
Upsets have been happening pretty often lately, but I don't see one here.
Gotta go with Marquez by a comfortable decision. 117-111.
Diaz will push him though and see how strong he is at light weight.
Not quitting doesn't mean Juan Diaz still has his heart intact... He's known to be relentless and throwing hundred punches per round but in that fight, the pressure and hundred punches were gone in the late rounds... His heart and will were broken...Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkJuan Diaz took a terrible beating from Campbell and showed tremendous heart to last the distance. He did NOT quit like Kid Diamond did. So give that bullshit a rest man.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Diaz was trying to hang on with his dear life.
And SD? That should've been a UD. That was almost a highway robbery.
Upsets have been happening pretty often lately, but I don't see one here.
Gotta go with Marquez by a comfortable decision. 117-111.
Diaz will push him though and see how strong he is at light weight.
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Ya ok then, I can see where Diaz was 'crying' because he thought he was fouled might be taken as him wanting to quit. But it was his presents in the ring showed he was sticking it out even though stamina had gone in the last three rounds. I can see where some may take this as his will being broken. But the boy was just being stupid. The boy didn't train hard enough for the fight! He was fighting stupidity as much as he was Campbell and that's not being broken... It shows his lack of maturity. Although the boy has more brains than most fighters it also doesn't mean he has wisdom. So ya not quitting does mean he has heart. If he really quit, then I don't think many of his fans would still back him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerNot quitting doesn't mean Juan Diaz still has his heart intact... He's known to be relentless and throwing hundred punches per round but in that fight, the pressure and hundred punches were gone in the late rounds... His heart and will were broken...Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkJuan Diaz took a terrible beating from Campbell and showed tremendous heart to last the distance. He did NOT quit like Kid Diamond did. So give that bullshit a rest man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Upsets have been happening pretty often lately, but I don't see one here.
Gotta go with Marquez by a comfortable decision. 117-111.
Diaz will push him though and see how strong he is at light weight.
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Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerJMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicaliIntesting observation Saddo, styles make fights and maybe JMM is made for Diaz' constant pressure game plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Who has the knockout edge?
Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
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