Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
PAC can be driven back and might be glued to the ropes but it only happens for a few seconds... PAC is too quick on his foot and can easily move to either side...
Just be careful when you try to corner PAC... That's where he's very dangerous and he will act like a cornered tiger... We saw this in the Morales 3rd fight...
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Very true!
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Originally Posted by
SweetPea
I've been thinking of the upcoming Pacquiao-Hatton fight and comparing it to the Floyd-Hatton fight.
I gave Ricky almost no chance to beat Floyd, and my logic was simple: I didn't see a single spot in the ring where Ricky could beat Floyd.
In the center of the ring, Floyd would be dominant. Hatton fans were banking on Ricky's ability to push him to the ropes, but having watched Floyd over the years, I knew that Floyd knew how to protect himself on the ropes and throw quick counters. So even when Ricky did push Floyd's back against the ropes, he wasn't able to get many effective shots in.
Pacquiao should also be able to outquick Hatton in the center of the ring.
But when Ricky is able to push him to the ropes, how will Pacquiao fare? I ask because I can't think of a single instance where Pacquiao has been forced to fight with his back to the ropes.
I think Pacquiao has been the one coming forward through his career that's why we really haven't seen him fighting against the ropes. On occasions against Marquez, Morales, Barrera when they let their hands go did Pac have to fight on the ropes. IMO, seeing how Pac guards his face when he's on the ropes leaves him open for body shots. I think Marquez was the only fighter that went to his body whenever Pac was on the ropes.
Against De La Hoya, Roach kept telling Pacquiao "As soon as you feel the ropes behind you, move to the side and get out of there right away." I'm assuming they'll go with a similar game plan for Hatton.
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
It's gonna be hell for Pac if he stays long there. Ricky is a butcher when he corners his opponent. That ring is gonna be his slaughter house. Pac better make it a target range so thing turns out well for him.
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
"in and out, side to side, and if you feel your back touching the ropes... go under and out".
-Freddie Roach
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.
The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.
The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.
Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.
I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.
It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.
Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.
The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.
The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.
Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.
I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.
It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.
Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
I think that is a definitive answer to the question... If Hatton were to use his strengths against Pacquiao then Hussien's tactics were pretty effective.
YouTube - Manny Pacquiao v Nedal Hussein rd 4
But unless Mayweather Sr. words are just a smoke screen we won't see any of the old Hatton.
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.
The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.
The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.
Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.
I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.
It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.
Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
I think that is a definitive answer to the question... If Hatton were to use his strengths against Pacquiao then Hussien's tactics were pretty effective.
YouTube - Manny Pacquiao v Nedal Hussein rd 4
But unless Mayweather Sr. words are just a smoke screen we won't see any of the old Hatton.
Hussein lost the fight bro!!! Imitating a loser won't help Hatton!;)
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
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Originally Posted by
SweetPea
I've been thinking of the upcoming Pacquiao-Hatton fight and comparing it to the Floyd-Hatton fight.
I gave Ricky almost no chance to beat Floyd, and my logic was simple: I didn't see a single spot in the ring where Ricky could beat Floyd.
In the center of the ring, Floyd would be dominant. Hatton fans were banking on Ricky's ability to push him to the ropes, but having watched Floyd over the years, I knew that Floyd knew how to protect himself on the ropes and throw quick counters. So even when Ricky did push Floyd's back against the ropes, he wasn't able to get many effective shots in.
Pacquiao should also be able to outquick Hatton in the center of the ring.
But when Ricky is able to push him to the ropes, how will Pacquiao fare? I ask because I can't think of a single instance where Pacquiao has been forced to fight with his back to the ropes.
In all fairness to Hatton, Floyd took away anthting Ricky had by just ducking below the waist and having Cortez stop the action. Floyd took the punk biatch way out of this fight and landed one
LUCKY punch (which he threw all night long) Pac will let Hatton fight more and it should be a very good match and not a borefest like Hatton/PBF. Again, I think Cortez was in PBF's money pocket and or vice versa.
Jesus Christ...
So Cortez hates Mexicans and British trolls huh?
lol
I hope Hatton can get Pacquiao on the defensive and beat him.
I'm rootin for Hatton in this one.
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
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Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
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Originally Posted by
SweetPea
I've been thinking of the upcoming Pacquiao-Hatton fight and comparing it to the Floyd-Hatton fight.
I gave Ricky almost no chance to beat Floyd, and my logic was simple: I didn't see a single spot in the ring where Ricky could beat Floyd.
In the center of the ring, Floyd would be dominant. Hatton fans were banking on Ricky's ability to push him to the ropes, but having watched Floyd over the years, I knew that Floyd knew how to protect himself on the ropes and throw quick counters. So even when Ricky did push Floyd's back against the ropes, he wasn't able to get many effective shots in.
Pacquiao should also be able to outquick Hatton in the center of the ring.
But when Ricky is able to push him to the ropes, how will Pacquiao fare? I ask because I can't think of a single instance where Pacquiao has been forced to fight with his back to the ropes.
In all fairness to Hatton, Floyd took away anthting Ricky had by just ducking below the waist and having Cortez stop the action. Floyd took the punk biatch way out of this fight and landed one
LUCKY punch (which he threw all night long) Pac will let Hatton fight more and it should be a very good match and not a borefest like Hatton/PBF. Again, I think Cortez was in PBF's money pocket and or vice versa.
Jesus Christ...
So Cortez hates Mexicans and British trolls huh?
lol
I hope Hatton can get Pacquiao on the defensive and beat him.
I'm rootin for Hatton in this one.
Cortez hates British and Mexicans trolls for sure... ;)
But what Cortez hates more is a British Mexican troll (like the one below?)... ;D
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4900/hatton55754ur9.jpg
Re: Does Pacquiao have any experience fighting with his back on the ropes?
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Pacdbest2
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
I think what Sweet Pea is asking was already answered by Chubby.
The only time that I can recall Pacquiao being on the ropes one too many a time for his own good, was in the Pacquiao VS Morales I. This is with the Pacquiao version we all know in this side of the globe.
The oriental version... he did a bit of fighting on the ropes, but not excessively as a weapon defensively. More than anything, it was more of a situation more enforced by the opposition, as he has not learnt the ability to stay out of the ropes, and the necessity to do so in those days was not a priority nor a concern.
Prior to his US campaign, I remember seeing Pacquiao on the ropes on his fights, "occasionally", employing this as defensive stance in times of confusion. He got away with it because the opposition is not the same caliber as the big three, MAB, EM, and JMM, and the like.
I think he was on the ropes and on the defensive, heavily attacked, when Nadel Hussein dropped him, but Pac still somehow managed to finish the fight winning it by a TKO. At this time, still escaping with the win, did not make him realize that with his skillset, staying away from the ropes is playing to his advantage, and strength.
It was later on with Roach, and after the beating he experienced at the hands of Morales in the first fight, did I notice a conscious effort to stay off the ropes whenever he fights. Most especially the Morales 2, when Viloria working as a color analyst for a Philippine PPV station, and who trained with Pacquiao prior to the fight, unconsciously provided inside information repeatedly in his side commentaries indicating this guideline of Roach to Pacquiao in staying off the ropes.
Since then, seldom will you find Pacquiao doing his version of the rope-a-dope. This adjustment is such a source of accomplishment, for he has never lost any fight since!
I think that is a definitive answer to the question... If Hatton were to use his strengths against Pacquiao then Hussien's tactics were pretty effective.
YouTube - Manny Pacquiao v Nedal Hussein rd 4
But unless Mayweather Sr. words are just a smoke screen we won't see any of the old Hatton.
Hussein lost the fight bro!!! Imitating a loser won't help Hatton!;)
;D I'm a dummy, "KananKrus" has the astute answer! :bashtroll4cx4: hahahahaha.... I have to learn to use that preview button more often.
