Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Great names, one and all. I actually hate ranking fighters in a scale like this, and would rather just throw out a thumbs up or down as to if they are top 100 quality. But, I'll try to play along in this instance.
I think Pacquaio and Marquez still have a lot left in the tank and possibly some career-defining fights in their future, even though Pacman is claiming he's retiring soon - as it stands, they both belong in the top 100 for sure. Pacman is always exciting to watch and entertainment-wise, the man is definately in the top 40. Marquez is one of the most consistent fighters around and has vulnerabilities, bringing drama to every fight he is in. No one can deny that both men have been great for boxing.
Ricardo Lopez : Top 25. Retiring undefeated while successfully defending his title 26 times makes this a no-brainer.
Joe Calzaghe : Top 50. Before he obliterated the over-rated Lacy, many people had no idea just how talented and adaptable Joe C was (including myself). Retiring in his prime may be the best decision he ever made and should secure his legacy.
Bernard Hopkins : Top 25. Boring for the casual fan but he embodies the sweet science for those of us who recognize it. His greatest talent is the ability to nullify the strengths of his opponent, and for many, that's just plain boring. That should not however, diminish his standing.
James Toney : Top 50. I really wish he would have retired a decade ago and I wish RJJ would have given him the rematch. His early-mid career was absolutely amazing. When his character began to take center stage over his talent, his legitmacy began to be diminished.
Shane Mosley : Top 50 or better. The only things that outshines Sugar Shane's talent is his heart and class. He had a lot of ups and downs, but brings it all when he steps into the ring. Is very rarely in a boring fight and as shown vs Margarito, still has a lot of fight in him.
Roy Jones : 75-100 at best. If ego was rated this guy would be right up there with Ali. He hand-picked far too many of his opponents in his prime. I actually felt bad for the guy when Joe C got ahold of him.
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
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OumaFan
I was a fan and I don't know if I'd have stayed up till 4, if you live in the US they come on at like 10, something to think about
who would you have rated the highest out of those listed?
Why have you made a serious thread? This is quite worrying.. am i meant to say Pac is no.1 :-\
Roy is the best of that lot.
Roy beat Hopkins, Toney and way past his best had some success (decked him) against Calzaghe.
Lopez has no star names.
Pac and Marquez are basically the same. Mosley is a hot-&-cold merchant.
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Well for me if Mosley keeps wining and few more big wins he could be put above Hopkins and Jones he has same quailty wins as they do and has kept strong longer then Jones did and as far as Calzaghe not sure were to put him but he deserves to be some where in the 100 but as far as Mosley and Hopkins they still fighting hard to call Jones i would say some were in the top 30 but tell you the truth think people while always rank those guys below people like Whitker Hearns and Leonard type of fighters.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
I was a fan and I don't know if I'd have stayed up till 4, if you live in the US they come on at like 10, something to think about
who would you have rated the highest out of those listed?
Why have you made a serious thread? This is quite worrying.. am i meant to say Pac is no.1 :-\
Roy is the best of that lot.
Roy beat Hopkins, Toney and way past his best had some success (decked him) against Calzaghe.
Lopez has no star names.
Pac and Marquez are basically the same. Mosley is a hot-&-cold merchant.
I used to make serious threads all the time when I was a boxing fan
Not like I'm really gonna argue against Roy being rated the highest but I do think you can't just write off the last six or so fights
anyways
Morales
Barrera
ODLH
LOL, just kidding ODLH isn't a top 100 fighter
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
i really hope marquez doesnt do a morales and fight on 1-2 fights longer than he should do (not that he should retire yet)
Of the current batch only pac, marquez, mosley can be considered potential hall of famers
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hattonthehammer
i really hope marquez doesnt do a morales and fight on 1-2 fights longer than he should do (not that he should retire yet)
Of the current batch only pac, marquez, mosley can be considered potential hall of famers
Bernard Hopkins :confused::-X
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Floyd obviously is a lock
Some of his fans will never admit but he did deserve some of the shit he got there for a while but his resume is there, even if he doesn't come back he's clearly top 100 no doubt, top 50 I would say.
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Ricardo Lopez--Very High
Joe Calzaghe-- Very high
Bernard Hopkins--very high
Manny Pacquaio - tbd
Juan Manuel Marquez -tbt
James Toney. high but he is ruining his legacy by staying on too long
Sugar Shane Mosley- tbd
Roy Jones-very high
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Ricardo Lopez - 20-30
Joe Calzaghe - 70-80
Bernard Hopkins - 10-20
Manny Pacquaio - 70-80
Juan Manuel Marquez - 80-90
James Toney - 70-80
Sugar Shane Mosley- 60-70
Roy Jones - 10-25
Floyd Mayweather - 10-20
Some of those can change & get higher such as Pac & JMM & even Floyd & JC if they were to come back. The RJJ one I found the hardest as in his prime, I would have had him easily up in the top 10, however, the last few years have really damaged. I honestly don't think I could make a decent assessment until at least 5 years after all these guys are retired
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
I think it's nuts to try and just put them into a top 100 list... I wouldn't even know where to start.
Ricardo Lopez
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Sugar Shane Mosley
Roy Jones
Instead I would rate them as follows. In a all around career look.
Lopez
RJJ
JMM
SSM
Hopkins
Toney
Pac
Joe
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
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CutMeMick
I think it's nuts to try and just put them into a top 100 list... I wouldn't even know where to start.
Ricardo Lopez
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Sugar Shane Mosley
Roy Jones
Instead I would rate them as follows. In a all around career look.
Lopez
RJJ
JMM
SSM
Hopkins
Toney
Pac
Joe
I decided to rate them in order like u Mick. My picks are a bit different tho.
RJJ
Lopez
BHOP
SSM
Pac
Joe
JMM
Toney
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
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CutMeMick
I think it's nuts to try and just put them into a top 100 list... I wouldn't even know where to start.
Ricardo Lopez
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Sugar Shane Mosley
Roy Jones
Instead I would rate them as follows. In a all around career look.
Lopez
RJJ
JMM
SSM
Hopkins
Toney
Pac
Joe
The order isnt a million miles away . I am happy with those picks.
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Ricardo Lopez - Around 25ish all time. His problem was his size. Not enough coverage.
Joe Calzaghe - Barring Lennox the greatest british fighter of all time. World maybe 20th.
Bernard Hopkins - Very similar ranking to Calzaghe but a place above.
Manny Pacquaio - Still has a bit to do but i'd say top 50.
Juan Manuel Marquez - Same as Pacquiao.
James Toney - I'd say top 100. If he'd stayed around LHW and kept in shape maybe higher.
Sugar Shane Mosley - Again top 50 but he could rise if he repeats his last performance.
Roy Jones - The only man in this list that makes the top 10 for me. He was so naturally gifted that he could do pretty much what he wanted in the ring in his prime and it was a real shame to see his fall from grace. Hopefully he wins next week and goes out on a high!
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eagle
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
I think it's nuts to try and just put them into a top 100 list... I wouldn't even know where to start.
Ricardo Lopez
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquaio
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Sugar Shane Mosley
Roy Jones
Instead I would rate them as follows. In a all around career look.
Lopez
RJJ
JMM
SSM
Hopkins
Toney
Pac
Joe
I decided to rate them in order like u Mick. My picks are a bit different tho.
RJJ
Lopez
BHOP
SSM
Pac
Joe
JMM
Toney
Not bad. Not bad at all. :appl:
Re: Where would you rank these guys all time?
Well to be honest i say Jones is ranked near were Mosley and Hopkins are mean he had good wins but he also fought some cans as well i would say. And his loses also hurt his legacy i would not rate him in the top10 maybe some where in the top 30 or somthing like that though.
