Another kahn critic

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

truth is does anyone honesly think warren would have made the fight if barrera had anything left in the tank????? those of us who have watched boxing in the uk in the last 15 years would know the answer..........no............when you look at it..its a typical khan fight....barrera's, smaller, coming up in weight, in his 30's and shot, and not a big puncher..........the only time khan was in there with someone natural at the weight and same saize as him with some pop..............he got toasted in under 60sec

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It's not a typical Khan fight its typicial of ANY fighter.

Every prospect, every world champ, every fighter who has the bargaining power will manufacturer fights to be as much in their favour as possible, and if they don't then they are with the wrong promotors.

Look at Floyd, when he fought Coralles he insisted the fight took place at super feather as Diego was struggling to keep at that weight. Manny brought Oscar down to 147, Floyd brought Ricky up to 147.

B Hop brought Oscar, Tito and Pavlik up to fight him on his terms.

EVERY fighter who is expected to have a decent world class career is carefully managed, if they are not then his team are simply not doing their job.

Khan is only 22. He already has wins over a legend in Barrera, an ex world champ in Gary St. Clair. He's won the Commonwealth title and has wins over decent domestic opposition like Graham Earl, Michael Gomez, Willie Limond etc.

Show me another 22 year old fighter in the world who has a more impressive resume and who isn't thought of a potential superstar and world class.

No doubt you will reply 'well Floyd Mayweather was already fighting......blah blah blah', well if that's the lengths you have to go to compare him, against the greatest fighter of the last decade, a 6 weight undefeated world champ, an all time great and a first ballot Hall of Famer, then it kind of only highlights how absurd and over the top the criticisms of Khan are.

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Oscar called Manny out...He already had the advantage...was Manny to just fold up and give DLH every advantage?.....

Trinidad was already a middleweight when he fought Hopkins...in fact a MW champion...He entered the MW tourney no one asked him to enter as a disadvantage to fight Hopkins...It was not a guarentee Hopkins was going to be facing Tito just turned out that way...so no one brought Tito up for Hopkins...

Same as when Hopkins faced DLH...Oscar chased him and jumped up to MW just to fight Hopkins...Hopkins did not call DLH out he accepted a challenge...Again DLH held a world title at MW (Regardless if it was due to a gift decision)

As for fighter at 22 being a prospect or haviong accomplished what Kahn has thuse far,,,

Fernando Vargas was world champion with an unblemished record by time he was 21 and by time he was 22 he had already beaten future HOF fighter such as Ike Quartey and Winky Wright...Who were in their primes....

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

truth is does anyone honesly think warren would have made the fight if barrera had anything left in the tank????? those of us who have watched boxing in the uk in the last 15 years would know the answer..........no............when you look at it..its a typical khan fight....barrera's, smaller, coming up in weight, in his 30's and shot, and not a big puncher..........the only time khan was in there with someone natural at the weight and same saize as him with some pop..............he got toasted in under 60sec

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It's not a typical Khan fight its typicial of ANY fighter.

Every prospect, every world champ, every fighter who has the bargaining power will manufacturer fights to be as much in their favour as possible, and if they don't then they are with the wrong promotors.

Look at Floyd, when he fought Coralles he insisted the fight took place at super feather as Diego was struggling to keep at that weight. Manny brought Oscar down to 147, Floyd brought Ricky up to 147.

B Hop brought Oscar, Tito and Pavlik up to fight him on his terms.

EVERY fighter who is expected to have a decent world class career is carefully managed, if they are not then his team are simply not doing their job.

Khan is only 22. He already has wins over a legend in Barrera, an ex world champ in Gary St. Clair. He's won the Commonwealth title and has wins over decent domestic opposition like Graham Earl, Michael Gomez, Willie Limond etc.

Show me another 22 year old fighter in the world who has a more impressive resume and who isn't thought of a potential superstar and world class.

No doubt you will reply 'well Floyd Mayweather was already fighting......blah blah blah', well if that's the lengths you have to go to compare him, against the greatest fighter of the last decade, a 6 weight undefeated world champ, an all time great and a first ballot Hall of Famer, then it kind of only highlights how absurd and over the top the criticisms of Khan are.

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Oscar called Manny out...He already had the advantage...was Manny to just fold up and give DLH every advantage?.....

Trinidad was already a middleweight when he fought Hopkins...in fact a MW champion...He entered the MW tourney no one asked him to enter as a disadvantage to fight Hopkins...It was not a guarentee Hopkins was going to be facing Tito just turned out that way...so no one brought Tito up for Hopkins...

Same as when Hopkins faced DLH...Oscar chased him and jumped up to MW just to fight Hopkins...Hopkins did not call DLH out he accepted a challenge...Again DLH held a world title at MW (Regardless if it was due to a gift decision)

As for fighter at 22 being a prospect or haviong accomplished what Kahn has thuse far,,,

Fernando Vargas was world champion with an unblemished record by time he was 21 and by time he was 22 he had already beaten future HOF fighter such as Ike Quartey and Winky Wright...Who were in their primes....

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Vargas was 10 years ago mate and if I remember was expected to be a superstar then.

Read my post carefully.

Where are the 22 year olds now with resume's better than Khans AND who ARN'T considered to be super prospects?

Khan IS a super prospect, he has WORLD CLASS skills, if he doesn't then just show me all other 22 year olds (or younger) who have done more and are also disregarded as being just hype like he is.

The kid gets no credit, yes he a suspect chin, but in every other department he is outstanding.

People are criticising him for beating an old Barrera as if its not a big deal but what other absolute ring legend recently has been beaten by a supposed nobody and a hype job?

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Originally Posted by miles

The cut ruined the fight. I know I sound like a broken record, and people keep asking me to give Khan his dues, but Khan got the breaks and his job was made much easier by fighting someone with blood spilling into his eye.

The hands in the air showboating business was utterly bizarre and seemed like a complete rip off of Manny Pac. It's Manny's routine so it fits him, it just looks ridiculous on Khan though. I didn't like that so much.

Also on watching the fight again its interesting to see how many of Khan's flurries are not landing on Barrera. A lot of stuff just hitting the gloves.

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yep. You hear the uproar from the numpties everytime he did that or when barrera stepped back and ducked? I'm sure the lack of screens for the cheapseats made it look like he was getting beat up.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by miles

The cut ruined the fight. I know I sound like a broken record, and people keep asking me to give Khan his dues, but Khan got the breaks and his job was made much easier by fighting someone with blood spilling into his eye.

The hands in the air showboating business was utterly bizarre and seemed like a complete rip off of Manny Pac. It's Manny's routine so it fits him, it just looks ridiculous on Khan though. I didn't like that so much.

Also on watching the fight again its interesting to see how many of Khan's flurries are not landing on Barrera. A lot of stuff just hitting the gloves.

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yep. You hear the uproar from the numpties everytime he did that or when barrera stepped back and ducked? I'm sure the lack of screens for the cheapseats made it look like he was getting beat up.

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I didn't see Barrera get beaten up in there like others seem to have seen. I saw a bad cut from a clash of heads and 4 and a half rounds where Barrera was on the back foot more than normal due to having blood spilling down his face and into his eye. Even then like I pointed out, Barrera was still pretty effective defensively. Khan couldn't get him out of there whatsoever.

Barrera was not beaten up and was an extremely unlucky victim of circumstance. This victory was an empty one. If Khan takes any pride in this win, then I pity him. :-\

But of course, he has my full credit for winning 4 1/2 rounds against a handicapped Barrera. I will give him his dues there. :rolleyes:;D

I give Khan credits for having the tougher skin... ;D It's an accidental and unintentional forehead against brow area clash and it's unfortunate for Barrera to develop that bad cut while Khan was lucky to have a very small cut... Tougher skin indeed... ;D
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I can still remember a fighter who fought Morales thrice. During their first encounter, that fighter had the same cut from a headbutt. He fought the whole twelve rounds with all his heart, blood gushing on his face and, alas, lost by UD. He was given the chance to redeem himself and TKoed Morales in the 10th round in their second fight.

Morales was given the credit for winning against him despite the fact that his opponent was also blinded by blood.

I don't see any reason why I would not give Khan the same credit.:cool:

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I can still remember a fighter who fought Morales thrice. During their first encounter, that fighter had the same cut from a headbutt. He fought the whole twelve rounds with all his heart, blood gushing on his face and, alas, lost by UD. He was given the chance to redeem himself and TKoed Morales in the 10th round in their second fight.

Morales was given the credit for winning against him despite the fact that his opponent was also blinded by blood.

I don't see any reason why I would not give Khan the same credit.:cool:

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idiot. Ok the neg reps are coming out.

Neither of them had a 2" gash in their heads.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I can still remember a fighter who fought Morales thrice. During their first encounter, that fighter had the same cut from a headbutt. He fought the whole twelve rounds with all his heart, blood gushing on his face and, alas, lost by UD. He was given the chance to redeem himself and TKoed Morales in the 10th round in their second fight.

Morales was given the credit for winning against him despite the fact that his opponent was also blinded by blood.

I don't see any reason why I would not give Khan the same credit.:cool:

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idiot. Ok the neg reps are coming out.

Neither of them had a 2" gash in their heads.

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Just giving my opinion dear Missy. I know that the cut especially the blood have affected Barrera's performance. Any fighter would be distracted by that cut. What i was saying was that I still give Khan his credit for winning even just for 4 rounds coz people were expecting him to be taken out in the early rounds.

I know you're a MOD here and I respect that. The idiot thing seems to be foul though.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I can still remember a fighter who fought Morales thrice. During their first encounter, that fighter had the same cut from a headbutt. He fought the whole twelve rounds with all his heart, blood gushing on his face and, alas, lost by UD. He was given the chance to redeem himself and TKoed Morales in the 10th round in their second fight.

Morales was given the credit for winning against him despite the fact that his opponent was also blinded by blood.

I don't see any reason why I would not give Khan the same credit.:cool:

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Are you refering to this fighter? ;)

http://xs137.xs.to/xs137/09121/6604.jpg

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I can still remember a fighter who fought Morales thrice. During their first encounter, that fighter had the same cut from a headbutt. He fought the whole twelve rounds with all his heart, blood gushing on his face and, alas, lost by UD. He was given the chance to redeem himself and TKoed Morales in the 10th round in their second fight.

Morales was given the credit for winning against him despite the fact that his opponent was also blinded by blood.

I don't see any reason why I would not give Khan the same credit.:cool:

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Are you refering to this fighter? ;)

http://xs137.xs.to/xs137/09121/6604.jpg

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You had to fuckin do it didnt you, right after i rep you for not bringin him up, what I fool I am for trying to give you a 2nd chance. You wanker.

I stand corrected. They don't have the same cuts. Barrera's cut was in the forehead and this fighter's cut is dangerously near to his eyes. Almost same amount of blood though.:-X

Anyway, for whatever Khan did, he surely deserves credit from me for not being KOed in those 4 rounds.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I can still remember a fighter who fought Morales thrice. During their first encounter, that fighter had the same cut from a headbutt. He fought the whole twelve rounds with all his heart, blood gushing on his face and, alas, lost by UD. He was given the chance to redeem himself and TKoed Morales in the 10th round in their second fight.

Morales was given the credit for winning against him despite the fact that his opponent was also blinded by blood.

I don't see any reason why I would not give Khan the same credit.:cool:

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Are you refering to this fighter? ;)

http://xs137.xs.to/xs137/09121/6604.jpg

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You had to fuckin do it didnt you, right after i rep you for not bringin him up, what I fool I am for trying to give you a 2nd chance. You wanker.

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What's the puss Jaz?? I'm only trying to guess who Bruce was talking about... ;)
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I'm trying to be nice and not get involved in heated Manny Pac threads for a while, but Manny Pac keeps getting into the threads that have nothing to do with Manny Pac!! :(

yeah having a cut on the outside eyebrow is exactly the same as having a 2" gash in your face from the 1st round. No. I upgrade you from idiot to moron. Do not call me dear.


And seriously do not turn every thread in to a Pac thread. Respect that.

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Originally Posted by miles

I'm trying to be nice and not get involved in heated Manny Pac threads for a while, but Manny Pac keeps getting into the threads that have nothing to do with Manny Pac!! :(

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next mention of him from a fanboy gets thrown out the thread. Take it up with the boss if you don't like it. You piss enough people off as it is.