Re: Say what you like - Khan should never have won
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Majesty
Wonder whats gonna happen when Khan when Khan wins again :-\
Probably the same journalists will be saying that the cut caused Barerra the loss will be saying Barerra should havent fought again and how easily Khan handled him in the first fight showed he had nothing left...
And suddenly the cut will not be a factor in Barerra's performance of the first fight, it will be evidence he was past it, and Khan will get no credit once again.
Another lose-lose situation
So are you trying to say that the cut had no bearing on Barrera's performance?
Well I'm sorry but when you have that much blood pissing in your eyes that you surely can't see, you are at a disadvantage. Even Ali needed his eyes, remember the first fight with Liston when he was blinded? He had to dance and stay out of the way until his vision cleared and then got back into his groove and tormented Sonny into quitting.
I think that a similar thing could have happened here but Barrera was never going to clear up because it was a CUT that was making him blind and therefore due to the severity of the cut initially, it should have been waved off at the end of round 1 and ultimately called a NC.
What im saying is when Khan wins the rematch he will get no credit still.
Because the reason Barerra lost will be because he was past it and the first fight with Khan will be used as evidence for that, and rather then the journalists saying the cut was the reason Barerra looked bad, they will say the reason was he was past it and the fight just proved it.
So its a lose-lose for Khan. What I mean is to the journalists the cut means something now..
But if they rematch and Khan wins they will say that the first fight was evidence Barerra was past it and somehow the cut theory will be ignored.
Re: Say what you like - Khan should never have won
2 minutes of action 7 or 8 punches land, sorry but Mystic Meg could not predict the outcome.
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Having only just seen the fight at the weekend I would have to agree that the fight should have been stopped straight away. The ring doctor looked to be asking him if he wanted to go on....Duh, what fighter of that calbre is going to say no, it wasn't just your standard cut but a huge gash which rumoured here will take 6 months to heal properly before he can fight again.
As someone who wanted to see Khan do well I think he needs to avenge his big loss then have a rematch with MAB, if he came through both THEN the critics would be silenced and maybe he would get back some support.( Assuming he can offer some humility)
I don't think he will continue to fight out of the UK for much longer, using the press/public critics as an excuse to go Stateside.Now that he won't beat the record for youngest World Champ from UK he should recognise he has plenty of time and look to clear up his record.
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It was a shambles. Im growing ever more tired of boxing, it sucks. (did i just say that ??? )
Well, its true. Shit like this gives me reason to not get excited about upcoming fights, prospects etc... I just give up with boxing. British Boxing especially..!
I'm not even that fussed about the Pac Hatton fight.. :rolleyes:
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It amazes me that there are paid journalists who have written that up as a convincing win for Khan. It was NOT a convincing victory in the slightest. It was though an appallingly officiated contest, with the referee and doctor seemingly in competition as to who could be the most incompetent.
I could cut off my head and that doctor would tell me to take an aspirin. :rolleyes:
Re: Say what you like - Khan should never have won
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yep - just like Lewis v Vitali
It's a tough one. Barrera wanted to continue, the ref and doctor were probably shitting themselves in case they stopped it and the crowd got a tad upset ;D.
Agree about the fact it's all been blown into a roaring Khan success and hiow he is now world class again though
I now honestly think a rematch needs to happen to draw a line under it. Am surprised MAB hasn't made noises about one
Nah Lewis beat Vitali fair and sqaure . He punched Vitali until he could no longer go on . Thats a legit stoppage . No headbutts involved but when a guy nuts the other in the opening seconds they shouldnt have waited conveniently until round 5 to stop it . They only made Barrera suffer that long so they could call Khan the winner.
give me a fucking break....nobody made Barrera do anything, his pride was the reason the fight went on, he could have refused to go on and it would have been a NC, and nobody in their right mind would be able to say shit with how bad the cut was, end of story
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Have to correct you. If Barrera or his corner pull out it's a TKO loss. It's a NC if the ref/doc stop it before the 5th.
If they (the ref/doc) don't stop it he has to go for the KO because they (mab & corner) know it can't go 12 with that head wound.
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& I repeat, the doctor did not examine the cut. Check out the interaction in round 4. The doctor & Barrera are talking, blood is dripping off his eyebrow down his face. The doctor never examines the cut.... very poor.
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Howlin Mad Missy
& I repeat, the doctor did not examine the cut. Check out the interaction in round 4. The doctor & Barrera are talking, blood is dripping off his eyebrow down his face. The doctor never examines the cut.... very poor.
he cleans the cut and examines it, and i doubt that they were talking about the weather or that the Dr was asking for an autograph, so plz stop making more excuses than the most obvious, Barrera lost cause he had too much damn pride and chose to fight on, he had too much pride and tried to take on a younger, bigger, natural lightweight and it didn't pay off, Khan beat a shell of the old Barrera, end of
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Howlin Mad Missy
Have to correct you. If Barrera or his corner pull out it's a TKO loss. It's a NC if the ref/doc stop it before the 5th.
If they (the ref/doc) don't stop it he has to go for the KO because they (mab & corner) know it can't go 12 with that head wound.
You seem intent on making this such an extreme example. On the one hadn your trying to suggest it was the most horrific cut to ever happen to a fighter, now your suggesting that the doctor and ref were so incompetent that they would have forced Barrera to fight on with this appalling injury and that if he said he couldn't see they would have disqualified him or ruled it a loss.
Neither point is realistic. It was a bad cut for sure but probably not the worst injury to happen so far this year let alone of all times, and the doctor would have been duty bound to stop the fight if Barrera insisted he could not see.
We saw in the case of Hasim Rahman where he had just a tiny little cut that everyone whined what a pussy he was for quitting against Toney that the commision overruled the loss and ruled it a No Contest.
The idea that Barrera's cut would have not been deemed serious enough to stop the fight if he had insisted he couldn't see is just ludicrous.
What I find ironic is that Barrera needed 33 stitches (which I agree is a very bad cut) and people say the fight should have been stopped immediately whereas Vitali Klitschko needed 60 against Lennox Lewis and for years people have been arguing that that stoppage was premature.
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Howlin Mad Missy
Have to correct you. If Barrera or his corner pull out it's a TKO loss. It's a NC if the ref/doc stop it before the 5th.
If they (the ref/doc) don't stop it he has to go for the KO because they (mab & corner) know it can't go 12 with that head wound.
You seem intent on making this such an extreme example. On the one hadn your trying to suggest it was the most horrific cut to ever happen to a fighter, now your suggesting that the doctor and ref were so incompetent that they would have forced Barrera to fight on with this appalling injury and that if he said he couldn't see they would have disqualified him or ruled it a loss.
Neither point is realistic. It was a bad cut for sure but probably not the worst injury to happen so far this year let alone of all times, and the doctor would have been duty bound to stop the fight if Barrera insisted he could not see.
We saw in the case of Hasim Rahman where he had just a tiny little cut that everyone whined what a pussy he was for quitting against Toney that the commision overruled the loss and ruled it a No Contest.
The idea that Barrera's cut would have not been deemed serious enough to stop the fight if he had insisted he couldn't see is just ludicrous.
What I find ironic is that Barrera needed 33 stitches (which I agree is a very bad cut) and people say the fight should have been stopped immediately whereas Vitali Klitschko needed 60 against Lennox Lewis and for years people have been arguing that that stoppage was premature.
It was a head clash caused in the first round that went on to require a lot of embroidery work and caused a lot of blood to come shooting down the head in horrid little spurts. It should have been stopped far quicker. Do you not think it should have been stopped and declared a NC???
Barrera wasn't going to wimp out was he now, he's certainly never shown a yellow streak before. The officials should have stopped it. I don't quite recall seeing a cut like that this year, Bilbo. In fact it's up there as one of the worst cuts I've seen in recent times. And caused by a butt in the second minute!
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Howlin Mad Missy
Have to correct you. If Barrera or his corner pull out it's a TKO loss. It's a NC if the ref/doc stop it before the 5th.
If they (the ref/doc) don't stop it he has to go for the KO because they (mab & corner) know it can't go 12 with that head wound.
You seem intent on making this such an extreme example. On the one hadn your trying to suggest it was the most horrific cut to ever happen to a fighter, now your suggesting that the doctor and ref were so incompetent that they would have forced Barrera to fight on with this appalling injury and that if he said he couldn't see they would have disqualified him or ruled it a loss.
Neither point is realistic. It was a bad cut for sure but probably not the worst injury to happen so far this year let alone of all times, and the doctor would have been duty bound to stop the fight if Barrera insisted he could not see.
We saw in the case of Hasim Rahman where he had just a tiny little cut that everyone whined what a pussy he was for quitting against Toney that the commision overruled the loss and ruled it a No Contest.
The idea that Barrera's cut would have not been deemed serious enough to stop the fight if he had insisted he couldn't see is just ludicrous.
What I find ironic is that Barrera needed 33 stitches (which I agree is a very bad cut) and people say the fight should have been stopped immediately whereas Vitali Klitschko needed 60 against Lennox Lewis and for years people have been arguing that that stoppage was premature.
It was extreme
MAB was never gonna quit never has i have seems lesser cuts stopped immediatley, if you watch Warren in the 5 round he clearly indicates to the ref to attend the cut and stop the fight. Can you hand on heart honestly believe that if Khan had that cut it would have been allowed to continue i will find the clip i saw it the other day.
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heres the link around 36 seconds left of the round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-J1RpPD2Bg
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agree with you miles but cant rep you at the moment;D
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Howlin Mad Missy
& I repeat, the doctor did not examine the cut. Check out the interaction in round 4. The doctor & Barrera are talking, blood is dripping off his eyebrow down his face. The doctor never examines the cut.... very poor.
he cleans the cut and examines it, and i doubt that they were talking about the weather or that the Dr was asking for an autograph, so plz stop making more excuses than the most obvious, Barrera lost cause he had too much damn pride and chose to fight on, he had too much pride and tried to take on a younger, bigger, natural lightweight and it didn't pay off, Khan beat a shell of the old Barrera, end of
you must have a different version of the fight:cool:
doc/ref need to call it off before rd5 for it to be a nc.
